Shakey

I am not aware of a requirement for the LABC to see the job before you start - yes they may want to do a pre-plaster check, and what's this about them seeing it 'before being made live for the user'?

the installation must be powered up to do your tests, so if it passes, and is safe, are you suggesting the user is not allowed to use it until the council come 'round?

I am both qualified and competent to install and test my own work - and there is not a man alive in this country that can overule or overide my testing of the installation. My decisions as the inspector are final and absolute, and NO-ONe (including the unqualified monkeys at the LABC) has the power to question my decisions

Malcg

YOU DONT READ DO YOU

This reply was addressed to a member who is trying to get Part P registration - not one who is registered.

You are also very cockey - Any complaints procedure against your work would involve a senior engineer being able to inspect your work and requiring you to put it right if it is unsafe or not to the current standards. Or did your qualify above everyone else.

Cirrus

Assuming there is a complaints proceedure in place which someone then tries to follow then I take it someone WOULD be entitled to check your work Shakey and even re-test?

And please chaps, can we leave the personal insults for other forums? We don't need to sling words at each other to get our point across do we.

rumrunner

I presume if he had tested the work ,and checked his results and the work complys,then at whos cost is the work altered ,if its on the say so ,of this "senior inspector" and the electrician who carried out the work looses out financially,then surely it needs to go through some form of litigation,if its then proved the inspector was being vindictive,then surelly you would have a valled claim against him ,the same as builders do against surveyors ,and building inspectors,otherwise all anyone needs to do ,is complain about the work ,bung the inspector ,and get out of paying for the job

And as i understand it ,one has to comply with part p of the building regs ,whats this regerstration ? or have i got that wrong ?

Malcg

Q1. As I am NICEIC registered I give that answer (I think all the others have similar):

1. If customer decides that they wish to complain for whatever reason about the electrical work, they complete a Complaints Form
2. A senior engineer from NICEIC is allocated. They will confirm details and visit site to inspect.
3. If the work is unsafe or not up to standard, the visit will be charged to the Registered electrician. Otherwise NICEIC takes the cost.
4. The Registered electrician will be given a report, expected to rectify the installation and may be revisited by NICEIC to check his work.
5. If the electrician is unable to put right (bust or refuses), NICEIC insurance will pay for another electrician to correct installation.
6. If there is a commercial dispute between Registered electrician and customer the complaint procedure cannot be activated.

It is very difficult to litigate for bad workmanship unless someone's life has been threatened or eliminated by faulty workmanship. E.g. a valid defense is that I am compenent and carried out the work to the best of my ability.

I understand that the industry is setting up a means of reporting bad workmanship so that obvious failures (e.g. bad earthing) can be reported for pursuit. Also the HSE regulations are being strengthened to match the strength of the CORGI regulations. Currently EWR only applies while an electrician is working on site - as soon as work is complete EWR no longer applies (- daft!!)

Q2. If you wish to self-certify work under Part P, the electrician has to be registered with an appropriate body, e.g. NICEIC, NAPIT, etc. Sorry about confussion, this whole thread was started by a guy who wish to work towards getting registered under Part P.

Hope that clears this up!

rumrunner

Hi ,
Yes that clarifies it ,i wasnt thinking you were on about the niceic, that explains it all.

and as far as question 2, do you have to be regerstered with one of these commercial organisations,to self cirtify you work ,i understood you didnt

Cirrus

Am I missing something? I thought you could self-certify work as long as if you were not in Napit, NICEIC etc then you pay a fee to LABC. All assuming you are 'competent'.

rumrunner

Thats what i understood aswell .the niceic ,napit and any of the other growing "schemes" will lead you to belive this is the case ,im not sure but i dont think its got to that yet

Cirrus

I was led to think that this is the case but that the NIC were simply trying to get as many people on board so if they can alter the way people think so that naturally we all then believe we have got to join them in order to self cert then hey......
I reckon that as long as you are competent and test, inspect and complete paperwork properly whilst informing/paying LABC then there is nothing wrong with that. In the long run joining an approved body will be much cheaper that paying LABC each time.

Malcg

If you are not registered under Part P with one of the FIVE bodies accredited for this purpose - BRE, BSI, ELECSA, NAPIT or NICEIC - you must use LABC to ensure the certificate is recorded at LABC.

If you are Part P registered, you can self-certify by using your bodies online system for entering broad details of the work carried out - this is then transmitted to LABC.

The fact a certificate has been issued is then "searchable" in legal terms - e.g. when a house is about to be purchased (this will become part of HIP in due course).

The Part P Approved document confirms this and more (pages 11 to 13) - link here