Shakey

No Rob, it is not the 'industry recognised standard'

Not your definition?

Apart from your quote " And the recognised status for an electrician is qualfication to level 3 in both the C&G and the NVQ. The technical and the practical"

And like i said that means I am not an electrician

Oh, and i am still doing the teaches

Rob

No Rob, it is not the 'industry recognised standard'

So what is the recognised standard then?

Not your definition?

Apart from your quote " And the recognised status for an electrician is qualfication to level 3 in both the C&G and the NVQ. The technical and the practical"

And like i said that means I am not an electrician

Like I said I was referring to people doing their training now. Not 25 years ago when NVQs werent in exsistence.

This is only my opinion based on what local authorities, major contractor groups, further education colleges deem as "qualified" when you ask them.

Are they all wrong?

Oh, and i am still doing the teaches

If you are a teacher then it might be worth learning how to write a sentence properly.

bobajob

Just wanted to put in my two penneth worth.

If a person can pass the relevent exams and then get registered on a competent persons scheme, then he can carry out electrical work, and certify his own work. Isn't that right?

So really it dosn't matter if a person is "qualified" or not. If he has the correct certificates, can work safely and can get a well paid job working with electricity, then isn't that the final goal? Surely the NVQ is just another string to help in getting work, useful but not essential. When he has worked long enough to gain experience then he can work for himself if he wants to.

Too many people seem to want to complicate the whole process.

Colin

Shakey

and use the term 'Electrician' purely to define people who carry out electrical installations on commerical domestic or industrial infrastructure

there are some 43 categories of trades/tradesman out there who can call themselves 'electricians', and the majority of them do not install fixed wiring

the term 'electrician' is not a 'protected' term like 'Doctor', where you have to achieve a prescribed set of academic criteria

And just because people like the JIB proclaim that you are not an 'electrician' until you achieve X,Y and Z does not make it so, it just means that you cannot be a JIB Electrican until you achieve X,Y and Z

Rob

So in your experience of teaching Shakey. What route would you recommend someone with no or little experience takes if his goal is to become a competent electrician?

betambeau

shagg, to answer your question, i've finisheed 2330 L2, and am about to start my NVQ with ctd quickstep (QuickStep-NVQ) while i do 2330 L3 (cos it takes a while to finish the log book.

shagg

Hi again everyone sorry to interupt this debate seeing that everyones getting on so
well but i think that it's going in the wrong direction. Just to let everyone know that
i have done my 2330 L2 and the 17th and due to start the 2330 L3 in September
plus the 2391 next year. I have also had a job in this field for some time now and in
fact thinking about going self-employed in a year or so. So i count myself as a
competent electrician i'm just intrested in the nvq to add another string to my bow.

So thank you betambeau for answering my question. I have hurd about this place but
just wounded if there was anywhere else that did the same sort of thing and people
who have done the course.

Shakey

A competent 'what' electrician Rob?

maintanance electrician?

installation electrician?

auto-electrician?

etc etc, i have taught them all, and more, down the years, and its horses for courses

The point is, you need a skills set appropriate to the intended field of employment

if you are going for installation electrician, in industrial and/or commercial and/or domestic then the 2330 is the obvious route, possibly with the appropriate NVQ3 and AM2 at the end

however if you intend focussing on the domestic market, then learning inductive reactance and motor control is, quite frankly, a waste of time and i would reccomend the EAL course, 17th edition, 2392 and eventually 2391

of course, both routes need practical experience before the term 'competent' is bandied about.

Glad to see that we are now recognising that the route for a newcomer, whilst appropriate, does not mean that those that followed a different route previously are any less valid as tradesman

unfortuntely, the blinkered 'proper sparks' brigade both here and within ECA, JIB etc wont recognise people like me, and i've sent longer in college and at the 'coal face' than many of them

Rob

A competent 'what' electrician Rob?

maintanance electrician?

installation electrician?

auto-electrician?

etc etc, i have taught them all, and more, down the years, and its horses for courses

The point is, you need a skills set appropriate to the intended field of employment

I think you are splitting hairs Shakey. I dont see too many auto electricians around here so I think you know full well what "variety" of electrician im referring to.

if you are going for installation electrician, in industrial and/or commercial and/or domestic then the 2330 is the obvious route, possibly with the appropriate NVQ3 and AM2 at the end

So pretty much what I said in the first place then? That the NVQ is required?

Glad to see that we are now recognising that the route for a newcomer, whilst appropriate, does not mean that those that followed a different route previously are any less valid as tradesman

I didnt say any different. You have just assumed I was reffering to ALL trademen, instead of those currently under going their training now.

however if you intend focussing on the domestic market, then learning inductive reactance and motor control is, quite frankly, a waste of time and i would reccomend the EAL course, 17th edition, 2392 and eventually 2391

Out of interest, would the EAL course teach you as much as the 2330 in terms of domestic related work? I am aware the 2330 covers alot of industrial related operations but surely somebody doing the 2330 would complete the course with a much better overall knowledge even of domestic level electrics than that of a student doing the EAL?

ian.settle1

This retains to house bashing only the is no such thing for commercial or industrial work