Discuss Washing machine in bathroom issues in the Electrical Wiring, Theories and Electrical Regulations at Electricians Forums Discussion Boards; During a PIR last week I found that the flat has its washing machine in an alcove/old airing cupboard with no door, in the bathroom. (I am going to try ...
During a PIR last week I found that the flat has its washing machine in an alcove/old airing cupboard with no door, in the bathroom. (I am going to try and include a diagram of the bathroom with this post). FLAT 505 BATHROOM.jpg
It is currently supplied via a dedicated RCD protected /circuit and single socket outlet.
After double checking the regs, it seems it might be possible for it to remain in the cupboard if the following improvements are made.-
1) A solid door with a keyed lock is fitted to alcove (then technically outside zone 2).
2) The socket outlet changed to a switched fused connection unit.
This mainly leaves only the ‘equipment must be suitable for the environment’ reg.
To completely cover myself I am very much leaning towards saying to the owner that they need to re site the washing machine out side the bathroom, and disconnect the circuit. That’s easy to say in writing, and not impossible, but it is a small flat and it would require remodelling the fairly new looking kitchen.
I was at a trade fair last week (Elex2011) and put the question to both NICEIC and ELECSA.
One agreed with my suggestions of improvement above and said it would be ok, but document as such in report, and also said it would be a bit harsh to record as unsatisfactory for one non compliance/code1.
The other said its not permitted due to the fact that the washing machine has been deemed not suitable for that environment (I confirmed this with manufacturer). Saying that although it would be technically outside the zone, condensation would/could form internally etc etc.
Thanks for reading this, and I welcome all views, I need to conclude this asap, and sorry if this has been covered many time before, or posted in the wrong bit.
this issue usually occurs from small one,2beds like my old grans where bathrooms have been added
Personaly Id go for fitting a door to the alcove puting it outwith zones it is hard telling someone that the appliance they have had there for years and been using for years is deemed unsafe
As the washing machine is in zone 2 it needs to be splash proof (IPx4), if the manufacturer says its not then it shouldn't be there. Socket is the bathroom is a no no when less than 3m from bath.
Not sure what is meant by
' bit harsh to record as unsatisfactory for one non compliance/code1.'
a) the washing machine in zone 2 isn't a code 1
b) the socket within 3m of bath is a code 1 in my view
code 1 is a code 1 and presents an immediate danger no ifs or buts so unsatisfactory, not harsh in my view. Change to a SFS (i assume outside zone 2) and if manufacturer says washing machine is splash proof then all OK.
Thanks to all of you who have replied so far, if a door with a lock requiring a key to open it was fitted, could it be considered as not in zone 2? Ok so then they put a washing load in, set it off, cupboard door is still propped open with the laundry basket and they jump in the shower, very possible i think.
Haha, ...This is an everyday common occurance in Cyprus, to have washing machines/tumble dryers in cupboards within bathrooms and upstairs landing cupboards. Never once heard of anyone getting belted or dying from the practice. Not particually what i would like in a bathroom or anywhere upstairs , but it's just normal over there. Were not talking about tiny apartments here either, think anything from 1 to 5 bed flats and villas/houses...
The cupboard doesn't require a lock and key, just a door for the cupboard to be outside of the location.
The washing machine is very likely to be IPX4.
Either replace door, or change socket-outlet to an FCU rated at IPX4.
If the bathroom is force ventilated the condensation issue should be minimal. Whilst putting a door on the alcove to create a utility cupboard/room seems a good idea. My main worry and concern about doing so, is the unattended operation of a washing machine located in a cupboard, although this prevents direct access to the equipment, it could increase the fire risk by reducing the airflow in and around the machine and the possibility of poor venting, leading to increased operating temperatures. If the machine is a washer/drier the build up and trapping of cotton lint from the clothing leading to a combustible atmosphere would increase the fire risk. There are about 1400 washing machine and tumble drier related fires in domestic premises every year so this is a real and potential risk.