rumrunner

Dream on Cirrus If you were a member you would understand what its all about ,for example The ECA set the benchmark for every thing electrical done in the uk, (not the niceic ,napit or anyone else) .they decide in conjunction with the IEE, and when theres eventually a national regerster of electricians it will be the ECA who pick up the subscriptions,ECA Website
I doubt if theres a single electrical contract over say 100 grand that the ECA havent got something to do with,its the way of it and always will be!
The Benefits of being a JIB graded electrician far outwiegh the cost if anyone trully wishes to make a carrer for themselves in the industry then i would recomend they get graded as quick as they can.
As far as there bieng less jib companys (im not certain this is correct) but there will certainly be less general electrical companys around as the banks stop lending cash to finance jobs
The ECA guarentee is the only way most companys will be able to finance contracts
And to work for an ECA company you need to be JIB graded
also as work starts to dry up the ECA start to exert there power thats why the jib is there to protect you and get you a fair deal and force the ECA to play fair,otherwise they wont /Joint Industry Board for the Electrical Contracting Industry heres the link for anyone who wants to check it out

Shakey

What aload of tosh, Rum

"The ECA set the benchmark for every thing electrical done in the uk"

laughed till my panties were moist

once agian we have 'installation specific' electricians on this forum thinking they are the centre of the universe

So Rum, presumably the ECA set the benchmark for:

Vehicle electrical systems?
plant and equipment electrics?
domestic appliance electrics?

shall i go on?

here's a clue, electrical CONTRACTORS association

i'll let you work the rest out

and without C&G 1/2 you are unqualifed then?

I have 10 different electrical qualifications, 3 of which are at level 4, I hold a C&G Licentiateship in Electrical Engineering, i have 25 years experience, but because my NVQ 3 says "electrical maintenance engineering" instead of "installation" then i am not classed as an 'electrician'

its a blo**y joke

hope the guys i taught on 2391 last week dont find out

rumrunner

Im so glad i posted the ECA link,so anyone can look and check for them selves,The JIB is only part of the ECA conglomeration ,dont be fooled into thinking they only deal with contractors ,that is utter tosh ,but belive what you like,im not sure if they publish a list of members ,i doubt it ,but if they did you would be very supprised at the companys on it!
Shakeys just peed off because as he states his qualifications are for a maintenance spark,so he cant work on any JIB or ECA job,nor is he entitled to the benefits of being a member,which he will probably say arent worth having,well there not if you are a teacher ,but some of his students might need them

wattsup

>>and without C&G 1/2 you are unqualifed then?>>>
Calm down Shakey, that is not what I said. These are minimum JIB/ECA rules, you may well have a degree in nuclear physics, may have a degree in electrical engineering, but if the JIB say you are not a spark, you will not get a start on any JIB /ECA contract without the said jib card.

I'm not particularly fond of the jib or eca, in effect they are latter day,- on the water front labour control.

The JIB in fact pay cards in sparks union fees, to the now owned american union. amicus.

I'm not sure if thats apt. The eca meanwhile in an attempt to combat 'cowboy agencies' made their own electricians agency, esca. But in reality it was formed because they were losing out money wise, they wanted a cut of the action.

As I've said before, the jib is for employers and not employees, any company in the 'click' can do as they want. Start as a labourer, shortage of sparks..hey presto you get a jib electricians card (so long as you have followed the carrot) The eca are losing control, like the big boys Crown House et al are now mostly design and 70% labour brought in subbies. Baileys and the like do the same and just use core staff, they also introduced the so called metal mickies, containment, trunking, tray, ladder rack stuff, not sparks and on a lesser rate.

When it first went into trial years ago, I was working on a fairly big job and they said the new bonus scheme will start next week, you will get 5mins for a 45 angle made set, 6x6 trunking (not manufactured) ECA and the JIB all agreed...

Not for me it won't, it takes me 5mins just to measure, stuff the trunking up your arse i'm off. Never looked back since....most sparks were in agreement with me, hence the arrival of metal mickies

LukeScotty

how hard is the ECS test for those who have taken it ???

If You Build It, They Will Come n If it aint broken don't fix it!

Cirrus

The test is unbelievably easy Luke. Actually makes a mockery of the trade - a monkey could pass it with zero revision.

Shakey

what I am peed off with Rum, is the way that people who install electrical systems in buildings always try and hijack the term 'electrician'

its always 'unless you have this NVQ and that C&G then you are not an electrician'

And yes, i was brought up through the maintenance pathway, and have moved into installation work gradually over the years, but I am, and always have been, an electrician

There are some 43 categories of trades that can rightly call themselves 'electricians', but it is not a protected term like 'Doctor' anyway

And i know this has all been said before, but no the JIB probably wouldnt grade me as an 'electrician' but that doesnt mean i am not one

Cirrus

I am with you on this one Shakey. I would be honoured to spend time working with someone who has your knowledge and experience. Believe me, if I am classed as an electrician with the 'usual' paperwork then you most certainly are. But hey, what's in a title??

rumrunner

Yes, i see where you are coming from and i dont doubt that if on production of your qualifications most people would say you were an Electrician.i would

As far as contractings concerned what evedence do you have that you can do the job?
Therefore as far as the JIB are concerned why should they certify you able to carry out contracting work?
THe best you could hope for is a start as an improver,which in my opinion is correct ,and only fair to those you would be working with
people with little or the wrong type of training cant do the job ,simple as
so my advise would be either do the NVQ3 and try and get graded or stick to what your trained to do and qualified in

Cirrus

Rum, you just dribble **** from your mouth at times sunshine. Do you try and **** people off?????