Cirrus

Shakey

the point is that if someone is not an 'installation' electrician' it does not mean they are not an 'electrician'

so what havent i done?

i've put three phase boards in
i've done rewires
ive done pyro (sorry MICC) (sorry MIMS)
I have done tray/trunking and conduit
I have wired up complete factory units, from scratch, the bloody lot, three phase, single phase the whole caboodle

and, this is the point, i have done all of these things for years, and on some BIG circuits. I was soldering bloo*y 70sq mm cable when i was 19 yrs old

I have worked for electrical contractors
I have turned down work for electrical contractors
I am considered to have sufficient installation knowledge to teach all the courses i teach (and design the courses)

By whom? well C&G and EAL, but also the NICEIC

but, because the JIB (who i seem to have done very well without, thank you) require a set of hoops to be jumped through, and I wont jump through them then people like the mighty Rum think they can look down their noses at me and tell me I need to 'improve my workskills to work to the required standard!!!???

Its a joke

This from a man, who, by his own admission, never even got qualified in the 16th regs, never mind the 17th - and he's out there working as an 'electrician'!

the electrical world has changed but there are some dinosaurs out there (people and organisations) who clearly have lost touch

Dinosaur

Like you Shakey I have done it all, got the tee shirt - and wore the bloody thing out. I am "fully" qualified but cant get a job on site as i refuse to jump through the hoops that the JIB hold. Who cares? i am making a good living thank you very much and any way who wants to spend their life working around plumbers and plasterers! I would rather spend an hour talking to frustrated housewives!

benji

Well been in this game for approx 49yrs joined jib when it started although voted against it (havent found a spark yet who voted for it?obviously collusion between etu/eca/gov.)but i'me not biased .As for 17th/part p you can shove em where the sun don't shine,the jib do not have any control in what happens on a contract, the rates of pay ect.are minimum rates if a company wants to pay more it up to them.
I have one year left and thats it ,as far as i'me concerned the trades gone down the pan in this country my advice to any young spark is get out of this country before it drags you down
yours benji

wayne

some of you would give vic meldrew a run for his money
jib should recognize experience and grade accordingly ,they dont because nobody has forced them to .
its probably a breach of human rights or free market enterprise ,but who gives a toss ?

Shakey

well chaps, we seem to have two clear opposing sides of the fence here

it is an emotive subject, and rightly so

anyone who suggests that i (or those like me) are anything less than we are because we dont doff out caps to some outdated (and seemingly increasingly irrelevent) quango is asking for a punt up the wotnot

on the other side we have the guys, who, perfectly understandably, HAVE jumped through the hoops, doffed their caps, and are now fully fledged 'electricians', who dont see why someone should be 'classed' the same as them, when they havent jumped through the same (very expensive) hoops

who is right and who is wrong?

the system, thats what

any system that suggests that someone like me or the other very experienced and/or qualified guys on here are in any way 'less than competent', 'less than able' or more importantly, need to go back to college to learn stuff we have been doing for years, is clearly flawed

however the system is there

many like me choose to ignore it, and we do fine, thank you very much

even the mighty rum, for all his wind up throw away comments admits his JIB card has been out of date for donkeys

I just wish, really bloo*y wish, that some people, just because they have free**n 2230/2360/parts 1& 2 etc etc would accept they are not the only flippin' tradesman in the world that are 'electricians'

that attitude sucks

its all:-

"you may be a maintanence electrician/auto electrician/factory electrician etc etc etc etc, but I Sir, may be titled solely as an electrician, I may not be as experienced as you, as qualified as you, worked on one tenth of what you have worked on, but I am in some way superior to you"

well newsflash kiddies, dream on

you think a JIB card makes you king of the castle? well done you, well done

*shakey claps*

What do you reckon Luke, how about a pole on here

perhaps who is a jib registered 'electrician' against who considers themselves to be an electrician and wouldnt trust JIB with a bargepole

or perhaps those who believe that the JIB controls this industry against those who believe they are outdated, toothless and increasingly irrelevent?

rumrunner

even the mighty rum, for all his wind up throw away comments admits his JIB card has been out of date for donkeys

I cant work out why the **** youire not agreeing with what im saying,
for industrial contractors the jib is the way electricians are graded ,and deamed compitent to carry out works on site ,thats the way it is,not ideal but just the way it is and will be for a long time to come ,the jib is a division of the eca who as i have already stated habve a lot more control over what goes on in the industry than some of you realise ,if you dont wish to belive that ,research it then comment

i dont think the jib is outdated and maybee needs to change its policys to suit modern working practices,

and as far as you are concerned,my trigger happy friend ,as ive said ,as far as i am concerned you should be classed as an electrician or electrical enginner .so please take your argument up with the jib as its them not me who say your not

Im off on a working holiday for 3 or 4 weeks ,so ill look forward to seeing if this thread resolves its self in the interim

all the very very best in the whole wide and happy wonderfull world enjoy yourselves

ian.settle1

The JIB was set up in the late 60's by the EEPTU and ECA to on one part standardise wages across the electrical contracting installation industry.

The JIB is to do with this industry only and sets down the requirements for member companies so a standard is set for the industry. I have a HNC in Electrical/Electronic Engineering as well as my installation qualifications-'B' certificate, !6th & 17th edition, 2377, 2391 and 2400 but only have installation qualifications on my JIB card.

NVQ 3 was setup to show employers that trainees had carried out work which they had done, this was because with the demise of the old apprenticeship people could get the theoretical qualifications but had no way of showing they had the practical experience

wayne

have a happy holiday rum,

Cirrus

Yeah happy holiday old chap!