PAUL M

you do have to have 2391 to add periodics to your nic enrolement you allso have to pay another £300 or so for the periodic registration fee you allso have to have indemnity insurance of £1.5 million,or you can just do them anyway and issue the green certs(some orgs wont accept).

Dinosaur

2392 only allows you to carry out initials, on your own work. To do periodics you need 2391. 2392 is a stepping stone qualification working towards the 2391. It was brought in (i think) in an attempt to mask the very low pass rate of the 2391 (somewhere in the region of 30% nationally).

montybaber

Why do you need 2391 to do periodics?

sparkyork

you dont, you just need 2391 if you wanna do periodics under a scheme provider, otherwise if your not with a scheme provider and havnt done 2391 then so long as you are competent then you can do them, your still signing it and your still binding yourself to that document.

partp

.. so to sum up so far.. 2391 is not in anyway a legal requirement for doing PIRs, but if you want to register the documentaion with your Regulatory Body, then 2391 is generally a requirement that the various regulatory bodies insist upon before they allow their members to register PIR documentation with them..
... any advances on this??

PAUL M

that sums it up in a nutshell.

DYCHE4230

So who normally asks for the PIR to be registered to your governing body....Is it typically Insurance companies, local building control, landlords etc....?????

partp

When you say 'governing body' do you mean Building Control or one of the regulatory self cert scheme bodies?
If you mean a self cert scheme such as elecsa, nicie, napit etc, then if you are registered with one, (which isnt compulsory..) then they will expect you to send them copies of all the certificates that you issue to customers, but remember that the PIR is not notifiable work so although your self cert scheme body may want a copy of it.. it doesnt need to be given to your Building Control authority anyway.
Its usually insurance companies or estate agents who ask for the PIR. some of these, in fact.. probably most of these will tell their customers that the PIR needs to be done by a NIC registered competent person. But remember.. this is just their preference as their is no legal obligation for this. infact, from what I can gather so far, anyone who meets the 'competent person' criteria' is qualified to issue a valid, legitimate PIR. whether or not an insurance co or estate agent cjosses to accept it without the inspector having NIC membership is completely up to them.

Carter

My understanding is that all that is legally required of a person undertaking a P.I.R. for an Electrical Installaion is that they are competent. Possesion of the City & Guilds 2391 satisfies that need to prove competence but is not the only means.

sparkyork

kind of but the emphasis on the 2391 prooving competence is not striclty true, you need the 2391 to join a scheme provider and to do a PIR through a scheme provider.
If you are competent you can do a pir, reagrdless of your qualifications