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Darius-parky · 22-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Cirrus

Haven't bought my copy yet. Can't quite bring myself to spend £65 on a bleedin book!

Hi Cirrus, Hi every one. Nice to be back after a long time. Family reasons.

Last time I complained about paying £65 for the red book everyone called me a tight *******/git!! Is there anyway that I can just have the updates to correlate with the brown book. Would be far sensible if this document could be looseleaf which could be updated as the regulations change rather than being produced in book form which must be purchased at vast expense!

wayne · 22-06-2008

hi darius a listing of the main changes can be found on websites such as the iee ,i still recommend the full book ,try ebay or amazon

4x4 mark · 29-06-2008

i got my 17thed offov amazon £57 but i bought it with other books so the postage was next to nowt, the on site guide comes out in september i think i was promised it for the 19th but not 100% sure.

linzilou72 · 30-06-2008

Can I get back to the question about 16th edition testers? Tony are you talking Insulation Resistance and if so we all know that anything under 2 M Ohms needs to be investigated no matter what the regs say. Which lets face it all 16th edition testers can already do, so is this just another way to extract money from over regulated electricians.

I would also like to rant about kitchen fitters/plumbers why is is that Part P for them is a quick and easy course and for us sparks a long drawn out process and they work in special locations !!!! My landlord recently had a new condensing boiler and gas central heating installed in my flat, when I opened the door to let these two children in to install it and left for work I felt quite worried but gave them the benefit of the doubt. On returning the little blighters had unplugged my stereo out of the double socket in the kitchen and just plugged the boiler in, no spur, no cable clips, nothing nada.

Part P part timers get on my wick, If I had done that for the plumbers I work for they would have had a mini fit.

daisy · 05-07-2008

Hi.
Enjoyed reading the comments about the new regs.
I will be interested to know what you think of one of the new regs. Our teacher on the 17th edition course was non committal. Page 114 reg 533.1.1.2 says " fuses having fuse links likely to be removed or replaced by persons other than instructed persons or skilled persons shall be of a type which complies with the safety requirements of BS 88."
Does this mean no rewireable BS3036 fuses in domestic installations now. I know we have,nt used them in years but it would now have to be noted as a code 4 on a Periodic Inspection.
I will be interested to know your views
P.S.
you testers out there, are we now going to have additional pages with the Periodics just to cope with the code 4 "explosion".
Thanks Daisy

**Cirrus** · 05-07-2008

Hi Daisy. I just did my 17th course and exam on Thursday. We didn't learn a thing and I can honestly say I have no idea about the new regs. Passed my exam cos I was clever at finding the right section in the big red book. Good for you - sounds like your lecturer gave you ideas as to what the changes are on site as opposed to the changes as per the regs.

daisy · 06-07-2008

Hi Cirrus
Do not want to worry you but off the top of my head
EARTHING - GROUPING - METHODS - IMPEDANCE - BONDING - ZONES - INSULATION RES - thats it I,ve run out now there,s probably more! Have changed or include changes.

Got to go got a bit of reading to do
Daisy

**Cirrus** · 06-07-2008

Thanks Daisy,
Am not worried now as I did pass the exam so just need to swot up on things in a bit more detail I think

tony.towa · 19-07-2008

It's times like this I start to feel old. I have a 15th, 15(II) and 16th certificate and now I need to get the 17th. Have gone through the "big brown book" and agree with one of the previous replies, the Schneider web site info is very useful and puts some of the requirements into English. They can be printed off easily and there are more to come. Yet again though every electrician will interpret the regs differently and the manufacturers will give guidance that will have you buying more expensive products from them. It's a great life

wayne · 19-07-2008

hi daisy ,reading the black and white in the red book it would appear you're right about semi-rewirables ...has this change been sneaked under the wire ?
it certainly looks like semi-rewirables are now a code 4(does not comply with current regs ) any thoughts from the gallery?