Malcg

To be Part P registered you have to be assessed by one of the bodies NIC, NAPIT etc against two recent jobs. Passing a course at college is not being registered as Part P!!

You need to upgrade to 2382 (17th Edition) before July 1st and carry out several installations before you will hvae enough experience to do the Inspection & Testing.
You will also need to be taking the 2392 (17th Edition) suggest after your Part P registered.

The first few jobs will have to be done using (and paying) Building Control to pass them and then NIC / NAPIT can assess you for these jobs to get you registered. You need to be the "supervisor" of the work so you cant work for someone else and use those jobs!

Good luck

Shakey

Can only go for approved contractor with NIC after two years trading as sparks, if I recall correctly.

Shakey

think you are right Malc, and i have a felling its 6 months to go for Domestic Installer as well

not sure about your 2392 comments though, no-one NEEDS it, although it is a good stepping stone to the 2391, been teaching it for a while, and the students like it

Malcg

Hi

After 1st July 2008, 2381 and 2391 or obsolete as there based on 16th Edition

2382 and 2392 are based on 17th edition. The -10 is from scratch and -20 is upgrade.

My NICEIC assessor (march 08) told me that I will need to have 2382-20 to ensure my work and certicates are valid from 1st July!!

I would not employ someone who had only done 16th Edition as they might dump me in it!

Shakey

Malc, how do you reckon 2391 will be obselete? and what do you think will replace it?

Whatr do you think will happen to all the exisitng 2391 holders?

Look, all that has happened is people who taken 2391 up to now have taken it based on the 16th edition

People who take it from now on will take it based on the17th edition, but, and this is the point, there is NOTHING on the 2391 certificate (other than the date) which states which addition of the regs was in force when the exam was sat

existing 2391 holders simply have to update their regs qual, their 2391 is still (and always will be!) valid, it certainly isnt obselete!

are you aware of what the 2392 is? I have seen you mention it on a few posts

The 2392 is the Fundamental certificate in inspection and testing. It is a Level 2 qual (2391 is Level 3) and concentrates on initial verification only

there is a full test on a simple single phase board and a 45Q multi choice on line exam

it is meant as a 'stepping stone' to the 2391, but is not a requirement.

and regarding the regs and 2391, holding 2381 or 2382 is not a pre-requisite for sitting the 2391

hope this has cleared it up for you

oh, and before you bounce back with "but I was told by.......", I am the training manager for a private company, and teach all of these courses, including 2392 AND 2391, and shall continue to do so !!!!

Darius-parky

Shakey I have miles of study and course materials on 2391 (books, CDs, booklets etc). Do I need to throw all of them out and start all over again or is there any way I can upgrade them? I am still toying with the idea of going for 2391 or 2392 as it will be called from July.

Shakey

Darius, are you taking the mickey, mate?

You having a laugh?

Did you read my post


look, once and for all

THE 2391 IS NOT CHANGING!!!!!!!!!!!

the 2391 is staying as the 2391, what the hell has July got to do with anything?

The 2392 is an entrirely seperate beast

jeez, my throat is getting sore I have said this on here so often

as regards all your study material Darius, keep it

Zs is stil Zs

PEFC is still PEFC

only changes are IR values, terminology from Direct / indirect contact to Basic / fault protection, papaerwork changes (mainly on schedule of inspoections) and verification of voltage drop using circuit impedence

apart from that its all good

I have students who have passed the practical (under the 16th) and we will be resitting their written papaer under ther 17th

How can they do that? Because the 2391 is staying as the 2391

dragon-av

Can anyone tell me what is meant by limited scope B as I dont want to be a spark just competent i was hoping to just need the lower scope qualification and hopefully that includes all i will need.

Ok I found out it wasnt hard but it seems to be what i need, Just had a really good conversation with NAPIT, who were really helpful. Suggetsed a C&G wiring regs course. ANyone know the number for the 17th edition updated one?

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Grae79

this's from the NAPIT website:


Defined Scope Scheme
The defined scope scheme (Level B) covers New Circuits, and adding to Existing Circuits. It is aimed at non-electricians working in dwellings who need to carry out electrical work as part of the normal jobs. For the NAPIT Defined Scope Scheme you need:
1.Both a and b
a. An appropriate Certificate of Competence such as the NAPIT Certificate NA-L1L4 **or the EAL Domestic Installers qualification** and
b. An interim on site technical assessment which can be carried out by one of NAPIT's Regional Officers.*
AND
2. A current BS7671:2001 qualification such as NA-2381 or C&G 2381**, or an interim onsite technical assessment*
AND
3. £2m of Public Liability Insurance
AND
4. Relevant Publications - BS7671:2001 which costs £49 available from the IEE, Tel: 01438 767328). You will also need a Memorandum of Guidance on the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 which costs £4 from the HSE, Tel: 01787 881165, and the Approved Document for Part P which can be downloaded for free from the NAPIT website.
AND
5. A full set of Test Instruments* After the interim site technical assessment, you then have 12 months to gain an appropriate qualification.

carpe cerevisi

Shakey

if you have 16th edition 2381 post Sep 01 or 2330 post 04 then you sit the 2382-10 17th update

If you are previous to that or dont have the regs at all, then you sit the full 2382-10 17th edition exam (although that doesnt mean you have to do a full course)

dragon-av

Thanks Shakey 2382-10 exam sounds like the one i could need. Napit are sending me some information they seemed alot more helpful than NICEIC although explaining what i do is not easy over the phone. Having read some of the posts on here I am getting a etter understanding of what the impact of regs are for me its mainly adding spurs in none special locations (lounges and bedrooms) or otside the special areas in kitchens and bathrooms (need to double check what the new areas are) a colleugue of mine who recently did a course seemed to think all new spurs needed RCD protection but am i right in saying that if installed more than 50mm into a solid wall and for dedcated use (ie a projector) and labelled then an additional RCD is not required? Also if the property has an RCD CU already does this count or do you need an in room RCD as well? What does one do about stud walls? are the regs the same regardless of wall construction? Sorry if this off topic

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