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ian.settle1 · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Shakey

Try reading Page 4 my friend

It clearly says "Installations DESIGNED after 30 June 2008 are to comply with BS7671:2008"

You could deisgn an installation in May, and install it in Sep to BS7671:2001 as ammended 2004.

You could start an installation in May, which would not be complete until Oct, this could also be done to the 16th

So these are two "certain circumstances" when you can still work to the 16th after 01 Jul

Regarding 2391, I am the training manager for a private training company, I deal with C&G on a daily basis, and also teach 2391 (as well as 2392). I have devoloved authority from C&G to independently authorise my own practical exam results for both 2392 and 2391 - and they dont give that away with a box of cornflakes!

You are being somewhat pedantic. By your reasoning, there has NEVER been a 2391 then! 2391, as with most C&G quals, have a number afterwards to differntiate between sub-quals. The point is it has ALWAYS had it, so there has never been a 'stand-alone' 2391 qual, it has always been 2391- (something)

The point is it does NOT need upgrading, as you have suggest earlier, and THAT is misleading people.

People have become confused because 2391 was changing to part of the 2392 series, but C&G quickly changed their minds, because of people like me standing up at their seminars complaining.

So people ended up thinking that 2392 was the 'new' 2391.

I have worked hard on this forum to let people know what is happening - 2392 is new, and is only level 2, 2391 is remaining unchanged (save the number change at the end) and no-one who is 2391 qualified is ALLOWED to upgrade their qual, never mind needs to!

Upgarding to a BS7671:2008 qual automatically upgrades your 2391 qual.

You appear to be trying to 'stamp your authority' here, but in my opinion you are not helping matters, in this this transitional period when there is a lot of heresay and conjencture out there

oh, and I would still like to know how someone would be in breach of the EAWR's??????

Well said Shakey it's not the first posting that this person has tried to say that only he is correct

BAZHUT · 12-05-2008

2391 Is The Only Way To Go,dont Go For A Lengthy Course Spread Out Over Numerous Weeks As You Will Forget So Much,do It Over A Four Day Course As This Is The Most Successful For Pass Marks I Have Found.

**Cirrus** · 12-05-2008

This is exactly what I am gonna do. The course local to me is over four days at just under £500

Des 56 · 12-05-2008

£ 500 for the 4 day course (if it includes the exam ) is a lot cheaper than mine was 2 years ago
I paid almost £800
When I was taking the course for dec 06 exam the government decided to drop the electrics from the Hip
What a let down that was
Knowing my luck If I had failed they would have kept it in, just to make things awkward for me
Damn politicians

Just had a look at the 2391 certificate and it does have the numbers after it 2391-01
It was a nice feeling passing that exam but to be honest it has made no difference to my working life at all
But good luck to anybody taking it My experience of it was that a lot of hard work had to be put in, so to anybody attaining it You can be proud of yourselves

Rob · 23-06-2008

How much is the 2391 course at your place Shakey?

a.walk · 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Shakey

yes Ian, the college told you, NOT C&G!!!!

most colleges follow this rule

i would not let students on my 2391 courses unless they had considerable regs experience and teat & inspect experience, but those are MY rules, not C&G!

the C&G 2391 qualification handbook specifically backs up what i have said, that it is RECCOMENDED that candidates have considerable knowledge of the wiring regs (but not the qual) and theres a reason for it

It is quite feasible that someone could apply to sit the 2391, but holds the EAL 17th edition wiring regs qual, if C&G insisted you had to have THEIR 17th edition qual (for example) then they would be effectively running a cartel

Shakey, does that mean that with having passed my 16-th edition 5 years ago I can still sit 2391 to the new 17-ed, because I was refused 2391 course in april because I was told by the college that I had to do the 17-ed course first, which is a pain for me because of the time it takes I want to go for a 12 weeks 2391 course asap, I am pretty confident with my inspection&testing knowledge although I want that 12 weeks course, because I know that these exams are not easy and I may need a refreshment.

a.walk

securityvillage · 5 Days Ago

Reading this it looks as if our local college has made a mistake. They told me that the 2392 replaces the 2391 and I believed them. They offer a 17 week course level 3 Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations and gives it the ref 2392. I've since read this thread and the C&G website, which does indeed confirm that the course I'm enrolled for is likely to be the 2391.