Brexit and the 18th Edition Regulations

charlie76 · Jun 25, 2016

From what I understand the 18th edition regs are expected in 2018. I just wonder what impact Brexit will have if any on the proposed date of the publication, the content and what is likely to happen moving forward.

The CENELEC requirements were adopted in the 15th edition but if we are no longer a member of the European Union, will BSI still follow the CENELEC requirements?

ipf · Jun 25, 2016

Have you not heard, loads of changes. We're going back to red, yellow, blue, black and 240/415 for starters....

charlie76 · Jun 26, 2016

ipf said:
Have you not heard, loads of changes. We're going back to red, yellow, blue, black and 240/415 for starters....

Well that was a riveting bit of discussion. Thanks ipf.

Andy78 · Jun 26, 2016

From the CENELEC wikipedia page....

"Although CENELEC works closely with the European Union, it is not an EU institution"

Simonslimline · Jun 26, 2016

ipf said:
Have you not heard, loads of changes. We're going back to 240/415 for starters....

No change there then seeing as it never really changed. :shades_smile:

charlie76 · Jun 26, 2016

Yes, but considering we have all (well 52%) voted to come out of the EU for one reason or another, most peoples reasons after immigration is not being governed and ruled from Brussels. This means we are not wanting to follow rules and regulation not set down by Great Britain. Harmonisation was one such European integration which affected all in the electrical/electronic industry.

What I am saying is will the BSI stop following guidance from CENELEC as we have voted not to continue following ever closer integration with europe.

Everywhere you look (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/electrical-equipment-manufacturers-and-their-responsibilities) GB has taken on board European standards. Will this stop, will reference in the 18th edition to EC directives cease.

Maybe they will issue 18th edition and then in 2019 when Brexit is negotiated and complete they will say "right unfortunately folks we need to issue 19th ed" which omits the EU references.

Risteard · Jun 26, 2016

CENELEC has nothing to do with the EU (at least it certainly isnt part of it).

Harmonisation of Standards is a global thing anyway - not just European.

So I really can't see that there will be any direct effect there.

netblindpaul · Jun 26, 2016

Forget the EU, we are still a member of the IEC, and it is the IEC that is the driving force behind IEC 60364.
So NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING to do with the EU nor whether the UK is a member of the EU or not.

Please, understand what you are dealing with.

davesparks · Jun 26, 2016

charlie76 said:
Yes, but considering we have all (well 52%) voted to come out of the EU for one reason or another, most peoples reasons after immigration is not being governed and ruled from Brussels. This means we are not wanting to follow rules and regulation not set down by Great Britain. Harmonisation was one such European integration which affected all in the electrical/electronic industry.

What I am saying is will the BSI stop following guidance from CENELEC as we have voted not to continue following ever closer integration with europe.

Everywhere you look (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/electrical-equipment-manufacturers-and-their-responsibilities) GB has taken on board European standards. Will this stop, will reference in the 18th edition to EC directives cease.

Maybe they will issue 18th edition and then in 2019 when Brexit is negotiated and complete they will say "right unfortunately folks we need to issue 19th ed" which omits the EU references.

Harmonisation is not entirely European, it also has a worldwide side to it.
There is an international standard which our regulations are now closely aligned with, along with a lot of other countries. Each country obviously has their own particular local adjustments, but the basis is international.

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ipf · Jun 26, 2016

charlie76 said:
Well that was a riveting bit of discussion. Thanks ipf.

Your farcical question got what it deserved, a farcical response.

Wonderwall · Jun 26, 2016

Whenever I am in Spain or Greece and I cast my eye over their electrics , I always come to the conclusion that it's only us, who actually carry out things to eu standard!!:rolleyes4:

ipf · Jun 27, 2016

Wonderwall said:
Whenever I am in Spain or Greece and I cast my eye over their electrics , I always come to the conclusion that it's only us, who actually carry out things to eu standard!!:rolleyes4:

You mean EUS7671..?:wink5:

PEG · Jun 27, 2016

Wonderwall said:
Whenever I am in Spain or Greece and I cast my eye over their electrics , I always come to the conclusion that it's only us, who actually carry out things to eu standard!!:rolleyes4:

I must contest your acerbic,isolationistic and accusatory opinion.

Next you will be asserting that these countries follow independent thinking regarding debt V GDP,taxation and criminal law...

My faith in human nature has been rocked to it's core,and i will be rolling my boulder back in front of the cave :stooge_curly:

andyb · Jun 27, 2016

Wonderwall said:
Whenever I am in Spain or Greece and I cast my eye over their electrics , I always come to the conclusion that it's only us, who actually carry out things to eu standard!!:rolleyes4:

It's hard to work out from these pictures whether they were taken in Spain or Greece.

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...m/101061-dodgy-trade-pics-your-amusement.html

Selfmade · Jun 27, 2016

How about imperial cable sizes?

But seriously, nations, governments, ngos, etc. will surely keep cooperating across boarders on developing standards in order to share costs.

Also, I can't seriously see us 'de-harmonising' unless we want to completely stop all trade with other countries.

The only thing Brexit will change is that Westminster will no longer be able to blame the EU for any unpopular legilation they want to push through, but I've opened a can of worms/Pandora's box or something again here, how do I always manage it!

charlie76 · Jun 28, 2016

Selfmade said:
How about imperial cable sizes?

But seriously, nations, governments, ngos, etc. will surely keep cooperating across boarders on developing standards in order to share costs.

Also, I can't seriously see us 'de-harmonising' unless we want to completely stop all trade with other countries.

The only thing Brexit will change is that Westminster will no longer be able to blame the EU for any unpopular legilation they want to push through, but I've opened a can of worms/Pandora's box or something again here, how do I always manage it!

Of course I'm not suggesting de-harmonisation or any other reg being rolled back pre-eu involvement. I'm just wondering if going forward the regs will be based solely on the thinking of British authors or will they continue to author based on input and collaboration with European counterparts.