Ceiling rose wires and flush light

[telectrix]

OP, make sure you isolate your supply safely, before conducting any alterations, and ensure the new luminaire is properly earthed.

or use wooden steps.

 

[Richard Sewell]

Same type of cable that goes to the existing fitting.

Gocha :-D Google is indeed my friend, even though I appear to be an OP (?)

Thanks to all for the patient replies, much appreciated.

or use wooden steps.

Yep, don't want to be any more of a live wire than normally :-D

 

[Toneyz]

Any connections you make need to be enclosed either in the fitting or a junction box
You could adapt (new hole or make existing bigger)the fitting to allow entry of the cables, make them off in the housing of the fitting,or you do like suggested and fit a junction box then make the connections in there, with perhaps a 3 core flex out to the existing entry hole of the fitting and into the connectors

These manufacturers make these fittings with scant or no regard for how cables are meant to be terminated.
There are millions of loose connectors hanging around in ceilings all over the land because of this scandal
Don't just shove open connectors into your ceiling

That's why in later years doing new house wiring we used to feed the switch.

 

[Richard Sewell]

Ta for all replies to date – specific question; I know that I can use 2-pole Wagos to make the Earth, live switch and neutral connections. Can I use a single 3-pole wago to "close out" the 3 red loop wires? Or should they be isolated separately?

 

[westward10]

Yes connect them together at a three way Wago, there should be three earths also.

 

[Richard Sewell]

Please forgive me – 3 earths? Can only ID one :-D

 

[westward10]

I suspect there are three earths within the green sleeve plus the earth for your fitting so that actually makes four. You also need allow at the other Wagos the live and neutral for your new fitting, so neutral needs three, live needs two, loop in still needs three and earths four.

 

[Richard Sewell]

Right – bear with me :-D

1) Separate the 3 earths, get a 4-way Wago and connect them and the earth from the light fitting
2) Separate the two neutral cables, get a 3-way Wago and link to neutral from light fitting
3) Live from switch just needs a 2-way Wago, connecting with live from light fitting
4) 3 loop cables just need a 2-way Wago

Correct?

 

[Richard Sewell]

correction, 4) 3 loop cables need a 3-way Wago

 

[westward10]

You got it.

 

[Richard Sewell]

MANY thanks for your time and patience, much appreciated :-D

 

[Richard Sewell]

Just to complete this thread, light was fixed as per advice and works fine – many thanks to all contributors for making my job much easier. Best wishes, Richard.

 

[telectrix]

cheers for the feedback. live long and prosper.