employing 'casual labourer'

[J.C.E]

Any sparks on here care to share any advice/past experience

Needing the odd hand now I am getting little busier- can't see it being more than 5 days a month if that and not month in month out.

laborer/mate is self employed (actually has his own business- but not as busy as me)

wouldn't be employment- more sub contractor

is it still a case of getting him to invoice me his day rate £150 (which I put in my books as an expense) and leave him to put in his books as an invoice

or have gone these days and do I need to register as a contractor and pay him CIS?

cheers guys

 

[Leesparkykent]

yeah will have all to be CIS.

 

[Octopus]

Unless its "maintenance"

 

[GMES]

As Lee says you will need to register for Cisco the main gripe with that is having to remember to let them know when you don't use him otherwise it becomes a very expensive mistake

 

[GMES]

Cis lol predictive text

 

[Rpa07]

Could he not just pay his invoice and let the sub look after his own taxes? 5 days out of the month I'm not sure if I would trust someone else to deal with it (been stung previously) let's face it, it is only a greedy HMRC that are demanding this weekly tax payment so they can draw the interest on it instead of yourself. What does @Murdoch mean by not if its maintenance?

 

[davesparks]

The best person to advise you is your accountant, they will know all the rules.

 

[Octopus]

Its my understanding that "maintenance" work does not fall under CIS.....

I think that builders and alike wanting to avoid the aggravation of CIS is a key driver in the "cash" market...

 

[HandySparks]

Its my understanding that "maintenance" work does not fall under CIS....

Repairs or extension to a 'system', eg plumbing or electrics, don't fall under CIS.
See para A16 of this from HMRC:
Construction Industry Scheme: a guide for contractors and subcontractors (CIS 340) - GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/construction-industry-scheme-cis-340/construction-industry-scheme-a-guide-for-contractors-and-subcontractors-cis-340

I've persuaded a maintenance company that I've done odd bits of repair work for as a subcontractor, not to apply CIS.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Its my understanding that "maintenance" work does not fall under CIS.....

I think that builders and alike wanting to avoid the aggravation of CIS is a key driver in the "cash" market...

A million percent...I know of at least two builders that have done really well for themselves and wont take a job on unless its pound notes. Some of them have been 100K refurbs/extensions.