Help with EICR coding

[Doomed]

Working on report at home, left books in office as I got called home urgently yesterday, help on a couple of codings would be useful. I want to have the report emailed off before Monday so I cant use the NICEIC advice line.

Inspected care home, all clients are dementia.

No RCD protection on majority of sockets in clients rooms, normally this would warrent a C3, but due to the situation would you rate it as C2?

One of the main DB's is in a bedroom with a clients bed directly under it, client often in bed (I had to ask nicely for the staff to move the client so I could move the bed to access the DB). I have no idea if I should code this, if it was storage in the way I would C3 it, but in this situation? I know I would kick off if I was doing a risk assessment, but for an EICR?

May post more later.

 

[telectrix]

Working on report at home, left books in office as I got called home urgently yesterday, help on a couple of codings would be useful. I want to have the report emailed off before Monday so I cant use the NICEIC advice line.

Inspected care home, all clients are dementia.

No RCD protection on majority of sockets in clients rooms, normally this would warrent a C3, but due to the situation would you rate it as C2? might lean towards a C2 here if i thought there was a potential danger due to the dementia issue

One of the main DB's is in a bedroom with a clients bed directly under it, client often in bed (I had to ask nicely for the staff to move the client so I could move the bed to access the DB). I have no idea if I should code this, if it was storage in the way I would C3 it, but in this situation? I know I would kick off if I was doing a risk assessment, but for an EICR? no code, but maybe a recommendation on the EICR

May post more later.

my comments in red.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Working on report at home, left books in office as I got called home urgently yesterday, help on a couple of codings would be useful. I want to have the report emailed off before Monday so I cant use the NICEIC advice line.

Inspected care home, all clients are dementia.

No RCD protection on majority of sockets in clients rooms, normally this would warrent a C3, but due to the situation would you rate it as C2?

code 3

One of the main DB's is in a bedroom with a clients bed directly under it, client often in bed (I had to ask nicely for the staff to move the client so I could move the bed to access the DB). I have no idea if I should code this, if it was storage in the way I would C3 it, but in this situation? I know I would kick off if I was doing a risk assessment, but for an EICR?

No code, just a comment/recommendation.
May post more later.

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[davesparks]

All portable appliances should be tested at suitable intervals in such an installation, so there is a lower than average risk from the use of portable appliances. So I would only go with a C3 because that's what the guidance in 7671 says it should be for no RCD.

Adequacy of access to switchgear is an item on the inspection schedule, and you can't pass it as it is at the moment as having a patients bed in the way is inadequate access. So that's a C3 as far as I am concerned.

 

[Doomed]

Next - am I supposed to be coding for plastic DB's yet? and if so C3?
Also what code is plastic trunking in fire escape routes with no metal clips?

 

[telectrix]

Next - am I supposed to be coding for plastic DB's yet? and if so C3?
Also what code is plastic trunking in fire escape routes with no metal clips?

no code at present.

 

[davesparks]

Next - am I supposed to be coding for plastic DB's yet? and if so C3?
Also what code is plastic trunking in fire escape routes with no metal clips?

You'll never be coding plastic DB's!
I'm not sure whether non metal supports will warrant a code either?

 

[Leesparkykent]

Next - am I supposed to be coding for plastic DB's yet? and if so C3?
Also what code is plastic trunking in fire escape routes with no metal clips?

421.1.201 wouldn't apply to a residential care home anyway. The regulation is not intended to apply to consumer units and similar switchgear assemblies in residential care homes or other premises not intended for household use. Regulation 421.1.201 being introduced related specifically to domestic premises, which are not covered by fire safety legislation in the way that premises such as care homes are. The regulation therefore uses the term ‘domestic (household) premises’.

 

[davesparks]

421.1.201 wouldn't apply to a residential care home anyway. The regulation is not intended to apply to consumer units and similar switchgear assemblies in residential care homes or other premises not intended for household use. Regulation 421.1.201 being introduced related specifically to domestic premises, which are not covered by fire safety legislation in the way that premises such as care homes are. The regulation therefore uses the term ‘domestic (household) premises’.

I credited the bloke with enough sense to have read the book himself before asking and so assumed the question was a general one rather than specific to this job

 

[Doomed]

Sorry, one last quicky, now looking at a EICR from another company on another care home, just want to double check their max Zs values for type C 61009 at 32A and C 60898 at 10A, they have 0.68 and 2.19, can't remember from memory if these are correct, or if they are the revised values or the old ones.
Ta.
edit: also is the min CPC size for a type C still 1.5mm?

 

[telectrix]

surely you can divide V/(10 x In) for these devices and then x 0.8, to get the value?

 

[shanky887614]

Sorry, one last quicky, now looking at a EICR from another company on another care home, just want to double check their max Zs values for type C 61009 at 32A and C 60898 at 10A, they have 0.68 and 2.19, can't remember from memory if these are correct, or if they are the revised values or the old ones.
Ta.
edit: also is the min CPC size for a type C still 1.5mm?

take 5% off for cmin and there is an andriod app with the zs values

 

[Doomed]

not got a smart phone (luddite I know)

 

[Doomed]

Which is not the value they have listed, hence I am checking on myself with your help

 

[Leesparkykent]

Sorry, one last quicky, now looking at a EICR from another company on another care home, just want to double check their max Zs values for type C 61009 at 32A and C 60898 at 10A, they have 0.68 and 2.19, can't remember from memory if these are correct, or if they are the revised values or the old ones.
Ta.
edit: also is the min CPC size for a type C still 1.5mm?

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...nyone-have-federal-mcb-data-zesses-sheets.pdf

 

[Andy78]

Using the reminder at the end of each row from table 41.3 you can work out all your max Zs figures for 60898 and 61009. Type B is 46/In then half that for a type C, half again for a D.
Type B = 46/In
Type C = 23/In
Type D = 11.5/In

Note that this is from the BGB.

 

[Doomed]

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...nyone-have-federal-mcb-data-zesses-sheets.pdf

Thank you, which values are not as the other company listed

 

[Doomed]

Using the reminder at the end of each row from table 41.3 you can work out all your max Zs figures for 60898 and 61009. Type B is 46/In then half that for a type C, half again for a D.
Type B = 46/In
Type C = 23/In
Type D = 11.5/In

Note that this is from the BGB.

Thank you, as I said earlier I am at home and all my books got left in the office as I had to rush home.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Thank you, which values are not as the other company listed

Have they written the max Zs of the RCD part of the RCBO?

 

[Richard Burns]

These values will be the 3rd amendment values at the conductor normal operating temperature (BS7671) or 1.25 times the values at ambient temperature (OSG)