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Where does BS 7671 say it may be used?
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notes for the installer, model formsWhere does BS 7671 say it may be used?
I think that means it may be used instead of an installation certificate, rather than it may or may not be used.notes for the installer, model forms
I think that means it may be used instead of an installation certificate, rather than it may or may not be used.
I like it! I'm certainly not questioning your logic. And I agree with most of what you've said.OK, if we are going to be picky here, lets take the example of the replacement socket. Customer has rang and said it has got whacked and is all broken, can you come and have a look. It is on the way to a decent rewire you have on the go. So you call in, hoping for a bit of pie and mash (hope that doesn't start another debate) and a sharp exit. Socket is in bits, so swap it, do a quick Zs, everything is good. Now, really, what you should do is an RFC test at the CU to make sure there is still continuity, and then maybe all the other stuff like IR and RCD if present. But hang on, you need to do the RFC test first just in case it is broken anyway, before you start, else if it is broken after have you done it was it like it anyway? No time for a cuppa and so on, just sorted a potentially dangerous situation out and got a bit of beer money, everyone is happy including the customer. Now, in these circumstances, are we going to disconnect the circuit and do said tests? Or are we going to move on leaving the situation better than before, and crack on with our rewire? Or maybe refuse to change it at all if the RFC is not continuous? We could spend another 20 mins discussing the virtues of RCD protection and periodic testing and bringing the bonding up to spec, but 99/100 customers will just watch us driving away shaking their head, thinking "just like plumbers that lot....." And THEN we have to write out a MWC cert and drop it off another time unless you have a portable printer in the van, cos Mrs Jones does not have email. It's not easy, being cheesy.
Hahahaha All aboard!!! I thought you were taking the proverbial there Andy, but its real!! Wow. £420 smackers.Balls to it !! I'm going to find out once and for all.
In the morning I'm booking myself onto a NICEIC 3 day course in accessory changing. A snip at £420 +vat. I'm expecting the certificate conundrum to take up most of the third day as it's quite a complex issue.
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Hahahaha All aboard!!! I thought you were taking the proverbial there Andy, but its real!! Wow. £420 smackers.
Your right of course. 5 mins socket replacement instructions, 20 mins H&S, 6 Hours paperwork completion, that will be £420 please. And you thought Ozzy was mad!
Going off the rails on a crazy train?Amazing isn't it ? I'm not going to get into why the NICEIC think that course even needs to exist.....
It doesn't say instead of, just says may.I think that means it may be used instead of an installation certificate, rather than it may or may not be used.
I was fighting your corner, and you just go and blown it.OK, if we are going to be picky here, lets take the example of the replacement socket. Customer has rang and said it has got whacked and is all broken, can you come and have a look. It is on the way to a decent rewire you have on the go. So you call in, hoping for a bit of pie and mash (hope that doesn't start another debate) and a sharp exit. Socket is in bits, so swap it, do a quick Zs, everything is good. Now, really, what you should do is an RFC test at the CU to make sure there is still continuity, and then maybe all the other stuff like IR and RCD if present. But hang on, you need to do the RFC test first just in case it is broken anyway, before you start, else if it is broken after have you done it was it like it anyway? No time for a cuppa and so on, just sorted a potentially dangerous situation out and got a bit of beer money, everyone is happy including the customer. Now, in these circumstances, are we going to disconnect the circuit and do said tests? Or are we going to move on leaving the situation better than before, and crack on with our rewire? Or maybe refuse to change it at all if the RFC is not continuous? We could spend another 20 mins discussing the virtues of RCD protection and periodic testing and bringing the bonding up to spec, but 99/100 customers will just watch us driving away shaking their head, thinking "just like plumbers that lot....." And THEN we have to write out a MWC cert and drop it off another time unless you have a portable printer in the van, cos Mrs Jones does not have email. It's not easy, being cheesy.
Sorry George. Keep the faith man.I was fighting your corner, and you just go and blown it.
Don't know where all this comes from Sparks, I've never mentioned anything like this. I'm sure I've already said I do not do these tests, they're not required for a socket swap.OK, if we are going to be picky here, lets take the example of the replacement socket. Customer has rang and said it has got whacked and is all broken, can you come and have a look. It is on the way to a decent rewire you have on the go. So you call in, hoping for a bit of pie and mash (hope that doesn't start another debate) and a sharp exit. Socket is in bits, so swap it, do a quick Zs, everything is good. Now, really, what you should do is an RFC test at the CU to make sure there is still continuity, and then maybe all the other stuff like IR and RCD if present. But hang on, you need to do the RFC test first just in case it is broken anyway, before you start, else if it is broken after have you done it was it like it anyway? No time for a cuppa and so on, just sorted a potentially dangerous situation out and got a bit of beer money, everyone is happy including the customer. Now, in these circumstances, are we going to disconnect the circuit and do said tests? Or are we going to move on leaving the situation better than before, and crack on with our rewire? Or maybe refuse to change it at all if the RFC is not continuous? We could spend another 20 mins discussing the virtues of RCD protection and periodic testing and bringing the bonding up to spec, but 99/100 customers will just watch us driving away shaking their head, thinking "just like plumbers that lot....." And THEN we have to write out a MWC cert and drop it off another time unless you have a portable printer in the van, cos Mrs Jones does not have email. It's not easy, being cheesy.
Whilst I can't criticise (perhaps not the right word), I can't whole heartily agree with everything that's been said.
If you asked me to install a new socket without RCD protection (even though existing adjacent have none). I would decline. The RCD protection is there for good reason. Even though your trailing lead has none either, I don't understand peoples mindset, when they want to change something for 'neatness', but do not wish to consider safety.
My opinion.
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