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  1. FatallyFlawed

    FatallyFlawed Electrician's Arms

    The NHS has just published a safety alert about socket covers which requires them to be removed from all NHS premises!

    It says: "This Alert is issued to highlight how, in certain circumstances, the use of plastic 13A (13 amp) electrical socket inserts (sold as safety accessories) can overcome the safety features designed into socket outlets.13A electrical socket inserts should not be used in health or social care premises, nor supplied for use in a home or residence. Any socket inserts currently in use should be withdrawn from use and responsibly disposed of."

    There is a full explanation here.
     
  2. martinh287

    martinh287 Regular EF Member

    Location:
    North East
    Yeah we have been issued with this warning. We have these at various places thoughout the hospital. Our children's ward are asking for a alternative solution.
     
  3. UKMeterman

    UKMeterman Electrician's Arms

    Hi,
    I had a go at abusing some MK Logic plus sockets, have a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUqaU5OlJ4E have a look from 4:00
     
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  4. telectrix

    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

    the alternative is to leave the sockets alone as designed. ensure that RCD protection is in place.
     
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  5. netblindpaul

    netblindpaul Trusted Advisor

    Location:
    South Wales
    There is no need for ANY alternative solution, the sockets are already inherently safe.
     
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  6. NDG Elecs

    NDG Elecs Electrician's Arms

    Location:
    Tyne and Wear
    I could not read the full explanation as the page was not displaying (due to browser security at my end). I hope as well as sensibly advising the removal of these things they are getting someone to check each sockets shutter mechanism has not seized up.

    Good work FF.
     
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  7. Carl S

    Carl S EF Member

    Location:
    Stockport


    On my father’s instruction I am posting this:

    https://www.cas.dh.gov.uk/ViewandAcknowledgment/ViewAlert.aspx?AlertID=102494

    The full Department of Health directive and if you follow the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] link it will lead to the PDF where you will find it also applies to OFSTED regulated premises.

    martinh287, as NetBlindPaul pointed out. You have no option other than comply with the directive.
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2016
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  8. LED Lighting

    LED Lighting Regular EF Member

    Location:
    Wales
    There is only one type of socket cover/protector which can make the sockets safer than they are already.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0...AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=socket+protector

    Sorry it's amazon but these covers lock closed over the the socket stopping anything being plugged in or removed.
    I have seen some which can be opened with a magnet or a key.
    But as about and many other posts the UK sockets are the safest ever and don't require any intervention to make them safer
     
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  9. Midwest

    Midwest Electrician's Arms

    Location:
    Oxfordshire
    Is this a wind up or something, no offence LED. I can only assume the reason to lock up a socket, is to stop people pinching your electricity!
     
  10. Midwest

    Midwest Electrician's Arms

    Location:
    Oxfordshire
  11. stevethesparks

    stevethesparks Electrician's Arms

    Location:
    Northampton
    It would appear that many sparks here do not like the MK brand. For the reasons given, this is my selling point for using MK socket outlets, in my opinion they are second to none for safety in this regard. Worth the extra pennies.
     
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  12. UNG

    UNG Trusted Advisor

    Location:
    Nr Wigan, Lancs
    Back in I think the late 80's the NHS actually banned under a HTM the use of MK sockets in all NHS premises as the "new" shutter they used didn't need the earth pin and could be operated by any 2 pin plug, Crabtree then became the preferred brand while MK failed to tackle this known problem for many years, while they have now fixed the problem (not sure when) there are many more manufacturers in the marketplace to chose from now and having made such a poor modification with safety issues to their sockets back then MK has lost the trust they had with a lot of sparks who have moved on to other brands
     
  13. happysteve

    happysteve Electrician's Arms

    Location:
    Nottingham
    A good reason might be to stop a kid plugging an appliance that could be dangerous (to them) into a socket. The usual example is a portable fan heater: might get a burn, or covered over with a pile of clothes causing a fire.

    It's generally easier to just do a mental risk assessment and just store stuff like that out of reach if it's potentially gonna be a problem.
     
  14. telectrix

    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

    can also be used to stop anyone unplugging an appliance e.g. a computer.
     
  15. UNG

    UNG Trusted Advisor

    Location:
    Nr Wigan, Lancs
    Does this mean these horrible things are going to be removed from those Bounty boxes the NHS hand out to new mothers as well, it would be a bit hypocritical if they don't
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2016
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  16. Spoon

    Spoon Trusted Advisor

    Location:
    Lancashire
  17. netblindpaul

    netblindpaul Trusted Advisor

    Location:
    South Wales
    The thing with that is that the two live pins actuating mechanism is valid under BS1363 and always has been, however, the pins must be rectangular and, compliant with BS1363 themselves, thus it is impossible ti open them with a round pin "euro" plug.
    This is one of the issues with "socket protectors" they don't have to be designed to the pin dimensions of BS1363.
     
  18. Marvo

    Marvo GMES....You absolute beauty. YOU ROCK DUDE!!!! Staff Member

    Location:
    South Africa
    From what I can gather this directive is legally binding for all NHS premises in the UK (please correct me if I'm wrong) so I've pinned this thread for now to get it better attention.
     
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  19. netblindpaul

    netblindpaul Trusted Advisor

    Location:
    South Wales
    You are correct Marvo, it is legally binding for all NHS premises throughout the whole of the NHS estate in the UK.
    This will also have further ramifications.
    Thank goodness.
     
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  20. Marvo

    Marvo GMES....You absolute beauty. YOU ROCK DUDE!!!! Staff Member

    Location:
    South Africa
    ^^agreed, it's long overdue.
     
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