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Discussion in 'Electrical Forum' started by Pete999, Mar 19, 2017.

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  1. Pete999
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    Pete999 Trusted Advisor

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    I was listening to a debate regarding Part P and a point came up regarding Quality Supervisors, one chap mentioned that many of the larger Contracting firms, say 30 operatives would operate with only 1 QS.
    Now I'm no expert but I have a good Friend who was a QS (he is a member of the Forum) not sure how many Electricians the firm he worked for had, but it was far to many for him to handle on his own.
    He had this responsibility and was expected to do installs as well, the firm he worked for paid lip service to him, basically, the way I read the situation was "we need to have a QS to enable us to be a member of the particular scheme they were affiliated with" never really took much notice of his findings, often falsifying EICs etc, not much this particular Guy could do about it, he was just about keeping his head above water as it was, which was a pity because as well as being a nice guy he is a good Electrician as well.
    I answered a post yesterday about the responsibilities of these schemes and how they would respond to complaints not only Customer complaints, but complaints from QS staff, the consensus was that the scheme would either suspend or cancel the membership, now I don't know about you guys but I find that strange, but of course it's all a monetary concern, the schemes don't seem to care, just cancel membership of bad contractors and move on to the next one,
    The only recourse any customer complaint about shoddy workmanship after they have been given the finger by the particular scheme in question would be Trading standards, a sad state of affairs imo, bring on 1 governing body for Electricians, rant over:mad::mad::rolleyes:
    What are your opinions?
     
  2. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    totally agree.
     
  3. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    1 QS can't "police" 30 sparks.......

    just saying
     
  4. Pete999
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    Thanks
     
  5. ChrisElectrical88
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    I was a QS for around 3 years. Had 15 lads to look after and struggled with verifiing all the certificates and keeping up to date with it all as well as pricing and running jobs. Director was very unfair as well, told me I had a week to verify a 180 page certificate and type it up for a school. Best thing I ever did walking away from that place.

    As well as all that the lads were not great and didn't fill in half the stuff right, this would lead to me been moaned at by my boss for re sending the certificates back out for the correct info instead of making it to.
     
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  6. Pete999
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    Pete999 Trusted Advisor

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    Seems my mates experience was not an isolated case
     
  7. ChrisElectrical88
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    ChrisElectrical88 Trusted Advisor

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    Put me off been a QS and working in a office for a good while mate. Really enjoying been on the tools again.
     
  8. westward10
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    westward10 Please don't bore me with your life story. Electrician's Arms

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    I am a QS and like Chris I chase around 15 lads and the task is all but impossible if you are too on the tools. The only way to correctly manage it is to spend all your time watching them and that isn't going to happen.
     
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  9. Pete999
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    I know how you must feel Westy, but it should be the full time job, no way can you be on the tools and do QS duties.
     
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  10. ChrisElectrical88
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    It's just seen as someone to counter sign a certificate to many I think, that's the problem. I voiced my concerns I wasn't doing to Job to the best of my ability as I was given no where near the time to visit enough jobs to check the standard of work.
     
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  11. Pete999
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    Bosses see belonging to a scheme, any scheme, as a means of getting more work in most cases
     
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  12. westward10
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    westward10 Please don't bore me with your life story. Electrician's Arms

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    Think most people are in the same boat. My boss says he runs a business and I need to be earning what can you do.
     
  13. Wilko
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    Wilko Gorillas are Great Electrician's Arms

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    I agree, it's mission difficult to be responsible for other people's work. In another imaginary industry, the operative is graded to perform the work, or not. If they are graded, they perform each and every task to standard or have their grading removed and cannot work unsupervised. This is examined by random and scheduled inspections and of course by complaint and incident. The QS then becomes more of a coach and mentor to help the folks to be compliant and recommend training needs etc ...
     
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  14. sparkdog
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    sparkdog sparkdog Electrician's Arms

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    I find it difficult being a QS for just 1, myself.
     
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  15. ChrisElectrical88
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    ChrisElectrical88 Trusted Advisor

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    I do like the grading idea even if we sort of have something with the JIB, a way of doing it is every individual must sign up to the NIC or similar for the cost of say £100 for 3 years. You then get a card with the type of work you can carried out in supervised.I don't know, there has to be a easier way of doing it.
     

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