Recess led light in limited space

[cliffed]

i know this is a regular occurrence,the fitting of recess lights in limited space & with celotex being fitted.why is it always the sparkles problem,when you've got designers specificing the fittings.
We've got about 100 mm from bottom of joist to ceiling,to be fair the builders have cut out the celotex around where the fitting will go,it's at 1st fix stage now.
It's now up to us,to find a suitable fitting,they will have to be integral drivers,to the fittings,any ideas,if this will be possible,.

 

[Rpa07]

@stummish I think mentions a 60mm in the other thread by @Murdoch - read that whole thread to get your good ideas. Shame that it's becoming more of an occurrence and we are the only ones that think!

 

[Rpa07]

Correcting myself it was by @jstephens251 and about 'timber framed building'
Sorry all those I mis quoted and named

 

[cliffed]

Yea just read it,interesting,thanks all

 

[Midwest]

100mm, that's a massive gap! I'll cheat, and suggest Click Inceptor Micro. 50mm void depth, but needs 20mm air gap.

 

[cliffed]

Cheers will look it up,really good fittings,think these will be fine.

 

[stummish]

Collingwood halers h2 fittings are great, only 53mm deep, but I assume 60mm to allow a bit of tolerance. The heatsinks are not at the very top of the fitting so with 60mm you have at least 15mm air gap from the hot parts. I use these almost exclusively, I think theyre a great fitting.

 

[cliffed]

Cheers.

 

[Rpa07]

Collingwood have always had a good name, bit more pricey but you are getting what you pay for. I've not had the experience of fitting any yet but I saw the fitting that you first fix and the plasterer can cover the fixed bezel bit then you clean it up and click the permanent bezel over the top. That's sounds like it is useful if you want to first fix and test initially.

 

[stummish]

Yeah there is a plaster in version where there is no bezel at all, the light looks like it comes straight out of the plaster! Deeper fitting though, and way more expensive! The collingwoods all dim very well, and collingwood don't seem to lie about the fittings lumen output or circuit watts like other manufacturers. My only complaint is the reported cri is fairly low at 85+, but again, most manufacturers lie about having 90 or 95 cri. 7 year guarantee, nice looking fittings, and push wire terminals make it easy to fit.

They may cost more, but they are quicker to fit, never get a dud that needs replacing and are brighter, so you can get away with less fittings. As we all know, time is money, all this adds up and means (for me) it works out cheaper for me to install these over other fittings, so I can get more profit out of the price.

 

[cliffed]

Sounds great,will put this forward to the gaffer,so no worries.

 

[Rpa07]

That's right @stummish thanks, the plaster in ones don't have a bezel so give a good look.

 

[stummish]

Problem is they're only the 500lm version, no 700lm version, warmest is 2900k, the rest of the h2 range have a 2700k version, they're expensive, and their beam angle is reduced by the recess so you need more fittings for the same lux.

On the plus side they look amazing. If I did my house I'll be fitting them.

 

[Rpa07]

In my opinion so far, people aren't ready for 4000k or 6000k. 2700 is a great light for the average house that isn't brand new with white walls white furniture and white carpets. Looks out of place otherwise. People may have different opinions. . . . But they're wrong!

 

[stummish]

Personally I'm not a fan of cool white. Unless it's a kitchen/utility/gym room. Blue spectrum wakes the brain up, so for bedrooms it's terrible, and lounge too as most people spend time in their lounge before going to bed.

The worst is bathrooms, you go into a very bright room, often cool white, to brush your teeth just before going to sleep. Ask any sleep psychologist, it's just going to trick your brain into thinking it's morning.

 

[cliffed]

Interesting,can't we go back to a pendant,it's so much easier ha ha

 

[stummish]

The problem with pendants is ikea make lampshades...

 

[cliffed]

Agree,anyone remember positioning the pendant in the middle of the bedroom window , & a little distant out,known as a courtesy light.
Apparently stopping anyone seeing people undressing with the light on...

 

[Midwest]

I always wondered why they ended up there

 

[sparks55]

Amitex AX 142/143 are only 35mm deep with plug in driver 25mm deep use them in grade2 listed with shallow lathe and plaster ceilings sometimes only got 45mm to play with