Without Pendants

[greenm4n]

Hi - I'm a newbie on this forum so go easy on me!

I have an install where the customer has specified ceiling mounted light fittings, (e.g. bathroom-type fittings).
The fitting only has single Live & single Neutral terminal.

i) Where do all the other connections go?
ii) Is it right to just use connection blocks + PVC Tape & push into the ceiling void?

Currently in install has been wired in the normal way for domestic lighting, (e.g. One cable to previous fitting, One cable to next fitting and 3rd cable to Wall light switch.

iii) Is there a better way to wire a lights circuit when most of the lights are without pendant fittings?

Steve Shaw
(still to work out his catchy signature!!)

 

[IQ Electrical]

Hi - I'm a newbie on this forum so go easy on me!

I have an install where the customer has specified ceiling mounted light fittings, (e.g. bathroom-type fittings).
The fitting only has single Live & single Neutral terminal.

i) Where do all the other connections go?
ii) Is it right to just use connection blocks + PVC Tape & push into the ceiling void?

Currently in install has been wired in the normal way for domestic lighting, (e.g. One cable to previous fitting, One cable to next fitting and 3rd cable to Wall light switch.

iii) Is there a better way to wire a lights circuit when most of the lights are without pendant fittings?

Steve Shaw
(still to work out his catchy signature!!)

Welcome to the forum.

Do you mean a batten-lampholder like this: http://www.discount-electrical.co.u...th-terminals/b06025b5f6b8227e74bdb3c8908187f0

This should still have a connection base (like a ceiling rose).

You shouldn't really be asking question ii)

 

[Sparky Ninja]

would be better to purchase surface fittings that accommodate a loop terminal in future. In the mean time you will have to install an accessible joint box just prior to the light fitting.

 

[Adam W]

You can loop the feeds in to the switches.

 

[telectrix]

take all cables into the fitting. terminate the permanent feeds into a wago. connect the switched line , N and cpc to the terminals in the fitting.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

take all cables into the fitting. terminate the permanent feeds into a wago. connect the switched line , N and cpc to the terminals in the fitting.

Gotta love the wago's

assuming there is space and you've used heatproof sheathing if necessary of course.

 

[Ryan_Moore]

Baton Lampholder or downlights....or just a 2D bulkhead?

 

[One_of_them]

guys sorry to maybe deviate a little hear but trying to get my head round a little thing.

Hole in ceiling? Put wagos in a choc box and push through ceiling into void....this means you must have a hole big enough. How do you then attach a fitting as you have a large hole?

prob simples but im an idiot

 

[Johnny-G]

The fittings you're talking about are probably the ones which come with a brace that secure via 2 screws flush to the ceiling and then the fitting itself screws on to that, the distance between the 2 screws is usually at least 100mm and a hole wouldn't need to be much greater than 60mm.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

guys sorry to maybe deviate a little hear but trying to get my head round a little thing.

Hole in ceiling? Put wagos in a choc box and push through ceiling into void....this means you must have a hole big enough. How do you then attach a fitting as you have a large hole?

prob simples but im an idiot

Any typical surface light fitting will have a large enough base to cover a hole required for a joint box similar to wago or hager. Positioning for a secure fixing is the key, near a joist. If you rely on plasterboard fixings and cut a hole you will possibly have trouble.

 

[Adam W]

guys sorry to maybe deviate a little hear but trying to get my head round a little thing.

Hole in ceiling? Put wagos in a choc box and push through ceiling into void....this means you must have a hole big enough. How do you then attach a fitting as you have a large hole?

prob simples but im an idiot

Bashing a big hole in the ceiling and compromising the fire integrity so you can push a load of connectors through it saves having to have the neutrals connected behind the switch, which some people find unacceptable for some reason.

 

[1shortcircuit]

ii) Is it right to just use connection blocks + PVC Tape & push into the ceiling void?

I just asked my wife to read this line and straight away she commented on how it doesn't sound correct lol