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Hope it's not going to be a derogatory theme.
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The thing that I have found with some of the courses that I have done is that they can go off topic my people asking questions irrelevant to what is trying to be taught. then you bombarded with past papers and self learning to get back on track. can only imagine that this is even more so the case with entry level qualifications.
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i could write a book on what my college days were like, in 1 of the classrooms there was some comfy chairs and some horrible plastic chairs, there used to be fights to get the comfy chairs
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i bought a roast chicken, some buns and a carving knife at asda for my lunch, took it into class and made me and some others sandwiches , the knife and chicken carcass stuffed into little andys bag and then into his locker once the meal had been eaten
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exactly that how can you cram 4 years of dicking about in to 20 days ?
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for little andys sake i reckon he would have taken the 20 days if he had the option lol!
the guy was like 5ft tall at the most, the steel beams in the classroom about 9 feet off the ground seemed like the only reasonable place to put his worksheets/stationary/jacket/hat after every breaktime, especially at home time
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things turned around for andy about half way into 2nd year, shaun launched a set square off andys head and made him cry, so we turned on shaun, shaun left shortly after as he could dish it out but could not hack it in return
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As a product of one of these courses I’d like to offer a little balance.
Three points
1. There is a niche that these courses fill.
2. There is massive over reach and over selling of the courses.
3. They enroll totally unsuitable candidates.
As far as the niche goes, and why I completed the course, there is much work in the domestic environment that require minor electrical work.
Installing an air source heat pump requires about 4-6 hours electrical work in a three day installation. The other two and a half days are general labouring, plumbing and building. All relatively low skill and labour intensive work.
The kind of fully qualified electricians that you can attract to this kind of role are no better than 5WWs. They’ve either been clipping new builds for 10 years and forgotten all they learned or believe core drilling is below their station.
Basically incompetent or bone idle.
Now if you have a reliable and semi-sentient employee these courses can fill the gap that allows you to trade in a safe and compliant manner.
There is no doubt these course providers BS candidates on what the course can give them.
Especially the initial verification and periodic T&I elements. These courses do not deliver sufficient underlying knowledge and practical experience to comprehend the results you get on testing. Personally I had to rely on support from family, my old man and brother are proper electricians, and watching endless JW videos on YouTube.
Some of those on the same course as me id not trust with a brush let alone an MFT.
So on balance, I’m more inclined to agree that they are scammers but, as always, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. There is a gap to be filled by these courses but the usual greed and self delusion has led to the corruption of a good idea.
Three points
1. There is a niche that these courses fill.
2. There is massive over reach and over selling of the courses.
3. They enroll totally unsuitable candidates.
As far as the niche goes, and why I completed the course, there is much work in the domestic environment that require minor electrical work.
Installing an air source heat pump requires about 4-6 hours electrical work in a three day installation. The other two and a half days are general labouring, plumbing and building. All relatively low skill and labour intensive work.
The kind of fully qualified electricians that you can attract to this kind of role are no better than 5WWs. They’ve either been clipping new builds for 10 years and forgotten all they learned or believe core drilling is below their station.
Basically incompetent or bone idle.
Now if you have a reliable and semi-sentient employee these courses can fill the gap that allows you to trade in a safe and compliant manner.
There is no doubt these course providers BS candidates on what the course can give them.
Especially the initial verification and periodic T&I elements. These courses do not deliver sufficient underlying knowledge and practical experience to comprehend the results you get on testing. Personally I had to rely on support from family, my old man and brother are proper electricians, and watching endless JW videos on YouTube.
Some of those on the same course as me id not trust with a brush let alone an MFT.
So on balance, I’m more inclined to agree that they are scammers but, as always, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. There is a gap to be filled by these courses but the usual greed and self delusion has led to the corruption of a good idea.
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A trip to the local wholesalers ffs
What a bloody shambles
What a bloody shambles
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These courses seem to rely on potential targets' perceptions of the industry - that 17 year olds do a 4 year apprenticeship because they messed about at school and ended up on the trades scrapheap, then 20 or 30 years later they can't be bothered leaving the depot to go and change a cracked accessory, leaving a lucrative market untapped and waiting for someone with a bit of 'get up and go'.
If people ask about these courses we tell them not to bother, then they actually take that as some kind of endorsement and go and do it anyway, then they're back here expecting the internet to pick up the pieces when it doesn't pan out how they'd hoped.
To a certain degree most trades have seen it - older guys looking to leave the stress of the office and wind down towards retirement in an easy job, but it's generally electrics that's seen as the easiest since apparently people are willing to part with a shedload of cash for someone to come and tighten a screw onto a wire, then the hard part is hamming it up to justify the price tag.
If people ask about these courses we tell them not to bother, then they actually take that as some kind of endorsement and go and do it anyway, then they're back here expecting the internet to pick up the pieces when it doesn't pan out how they'd hoped.
To a certain degree most trades have seen it - older guys looking to leave the stress of the office and wind down towards retirement in an easy job, but it's generally electrics that's seen as the easiest since apparently people are willing to part with a shedload of cash for someone to come and tighten a screw onto a wire, then the hard part is hamming it up to justify the price tag.
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