2 conductors in the same Wago connector hole

[PEG]

...The title of this thread has led me to question the validity of my diversity training...

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I doubt prof stephen hawking pondered this before his death. So the forum will decide....
Is it permissable to mix and match different makes of push fit connectors
Ie wago and them other ones by ideal as shown below and put them in the same wago box or other similar mf enclosure..
Even if not against the regs...is it a mortal sin?

 

[ipf]

put the conductors up his bum hole

A bit too much motion for my liking.

 

[johnduffell]

That's the advantage of screw terminals, you can shove whatever conductors you like in and then tighten down.
The other advantage is cost.
Even then, especially with 3 conductors, it's common to fail the pull out test after tightening the screw firmly.

 

[Pete999]

I've just watched a video on youtube about installing a bathroom extractor fan off of the light switch.

In it the guy says how much easier this is when you use Wago connector blocks rather than a ceiling rose (about 7 and a half minutes in). He's using Wago 3-way lever connector 222 blocks, but of course 3 of the blocks need 4 connections, so he's shoved 2 conductors into the same hole.

Is this safe / ok? I guess 5-way connectors wouldn't fit in the box, and (as far as I can tell) they don't sell 4-way connectors.

Any advice much appreciated.

No not a good idea to do what Matey did and yes you can get 4 way Wagos

 

[DPG]

At the end of the day you can only use the connectors as the manufacturer intended them to be used. Unless the manufacturer's spec says you can use two conductors then you shouldn't do it.

 

[sparksfly]

Agree but..I've used more than two wires in one 222 wago series connection point IF they do not pull out of course, also take into account the load in question.

 

[mattg4321]

Agree but..I've used more than two wires in one 222 wago series connection point IF they do not pull out of course, also take into account the load in question.

Solid core, stranded or flex?

 

[The Ghost]

Better not use stranded as they are 7 cores in one connector.

 

[Rpa07]

I kicked over my, just restocked, wago box yesterday - it looked like a bag of 'pick and mix' until I could take no more and sorted them last night before bed!
Since using the wagos after discovering them on here, they are so very useful and keeping a stock is essential.
I was doing some light changes the other day and screw terminals 'were' the ideal connection so nice to have all avenues covered.

 

[sparksfly]

Solid core, stranded or flex?

I have doubled up on twisted flex and solid cores... no problem , again needs a pull test every time. I prefer the lever wagos to ideal ones in my experience...just like i'm fussy about the quality of basic connector blocks I still use.

 

[mattg4321]

I can see how you could possibly get a good connection with two small flexible conductors in one wago port/pole, but I definitely wouldn't with solid core. Asking for trouble IMO

 

[telectrix]

got some "wagos" from China this week. half the price. look identical except they don't carry the wago logo. seem well made. will be testing in a day or 2, sending 30A through them, see how good they really are.

 

[mattg4321]

But is it Way-Go or Wah-Go

 

[elsparko]

I certainly would never do that. It doesn't take many brain cells to imagine that there is a high chance of a poor quality connection doing this, especially with solid core conductors as the dipstick in the video has done.

On a side note, anybody using wire strippers isn't a proper sparks

dunno about that lol, i had to resort to using wire strippers after a few weeks of making electrical control boards for refrigeration trucks, the set my boss had cost a fair bit though not the average crap pulled off the shelf, handy for single core cables with stranded conductor i think

 

[Squid]

3 pages in and no one noticed "Bulb" on the drawing, standards are slipping it seems on here.

 

[solarsavings]

But is it Way-Go or Wah-Go

Neither. It's vargo.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I have doubled up on twisted flex and solid cores... no problem , again needs a pull test every time. I prefer the lever wagos to ideal ones in my experience...just like i'm fussy about the quality of basic connector blocks I still use.

Sorry chap, but I can't believe any spark would try and put 2 conductors into one wago hole. It is designed for one conductor and the amount of pressure exerted on the conductor will have gone through many tests so that it could be deemed safe. To put 2 conductors is just crazy and would completely null the validity of all testing wago has done.
I don't think your 'pull' test quite ranks with the £50,000 wago spent on their tests.
Trying to stay polite (through gritted teeth)!

 

[DPG]

Agree with happyhippydad - they are designed and tested for one conductor only. Using them in any other way is introducing potential problems in years to come.

 

[Andy78]

got some "wagos" from China this week. half the price. look identical except they don't carry the wago logo. seem well made. will be testing in a day or 2, sending 30A through them, see how good they really are.

Heard some bad things about the quality of these connectors, with some failures.
Are they the older lever type 222 ? Apparently the copyright expired on the design so there are loads of copies now, of varying quality.

I'm using the new compact lever type 221 and they are brilliant.
I use this place as the cheapest I have found so far.

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