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  1. naylorpd
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    naylorpd Regular EF Member

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    Baku, Azerbaijan
    I've had an EICR on the house in Reading that I rent out with some unsatisfactory points and I'm looking for some advice.

    Broadly, there are no big surprises because I know that the CU is old, has no RCDs and needs to be changed out. But:

    1) Circuits not buried more than 50mm....the house was built in the 1980s (with old red/black T&E) and the cable depth is what it is. Is this an item that they have to report and I just need to ignore?

    Actually I doubt that the cable depth is more than 50mm even in my brand new house as it's only slab n dab plasterboard and the total depth is not even 50mm...but that's a different issue. This house is brick & breeze-block.

    4, 9) Ceiling rose needs replacing, unswitched socket. I don't mind paying for things I can't do, but I'm perfectly capable to do this myself - but would I then need to get another EICR to show a clean report? So is there a real benefit to get the same sparky to fix this? If it's done at the same time as the CU presumably the cost will be quite small as the call-out is covered.

    2) Identification on light switch wires - what is needed? Sounds like something else I can do. But see next point - if all the switches need to come off anyway to find an earth leakage, perhaps the cost is quite small?

    10) High earth leakage readings...this is the big issue. What I've been told is "However if a new consumer unit was fitted the RCD safety devices would be continually tripping as there are three circuits that contain earth leakage currents that would be high enough cause constant tripping. There are other relatively minor issues that are fairly common and relatively easy to rectify. So, before we can even consider changing the consumer unit these faults need to be found and rectified. There are three circuits that need investigating, the two main socket outlet circuits and the downstairs lighting circuit. These will not be easy to find and remedy but I would suggest that myself and another electrician would spend a day there and see what we can find, this would be at a cost of £500.00."

    I suppose what I'm concerned about here is:
    a) is there anything I could do myself to trace these faults?
    b) does it need two people and is £500 for a day reasonable
    c) it doesn't actually give me any guarantees that they'll find the faults, so it's really just taking a punt
    d) they could find it in an hour and I'd still need to pay for a day. But (for example) if that was the case, the rest of the day could be used to fit the new CU and not charge for that again....

    Thoughts?

    Thanks
    Phil
     

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  2. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    To get a satisfactory you need to address the C2 items

    Google electrical safety best practice guide no 4 and have a read.
     
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  3. essex
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    essex Forum Mentor

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    Take the money for the rent but unwilling to spend money to keep the people inside safe.
     
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  4. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    Irrelevant input. Not helpful
     
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  5. essex
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    essex Forum Mentor

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    Part of the op was concerned about paying money - completely relevant.

    I will not help people like this with electrical advice for free.
     
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    All the advice he needs is on post 2, and the only thing I would add is get others to quote.....
     
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  7. essex
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    essex Forum Mentor

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    Have you opened the attachment?
     
  8. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Respected Member

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    what i can't see is the "excessive earth leakage will trip RCDs and needs rectifying", yet he's listed all circuit IRs > 100 M.
     
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  9. essex
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    essex Forum Mentor

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    The whole EICR is a shambles. But I suspect quality was not on the ops list of priorities when choosing a contractor.
     
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  10. DPG
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    DPG Respected Member

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    He's already had an EICR done, and knows he needs to get the CU changed - seems like he's spending money to keep things safe to me.
     
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Respected Member

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    please expand on that .what do you think makes it a shambles?
     
  12. Loki
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    Loki Trainee Access

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    Just had a quick look at the eicr:

    R1 + R2 looks like they've been calculated as Ze is stated 0.35

    No r1,r2,rn on ring circuit filled in

    Suspect Ze might not have been measured as stated 0.35

    No RCD test results filled in yet they've said;

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  13. ChrisElectrical88
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    ChrisElectrical88 Forum Mentor

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    Says earthing to services satisfactory,... Then issues C3 to undersized water bond
     
  14. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Respected Member

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    but a C3 is satisfactory, even if not compliant with current regs.
     
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  15. ChrisElectrical88
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    ChrisElectrical88 Forum Mentor

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    True, i probably would have referanced the deviation number.
    Just nit picking really.
     
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