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C2 or C3

Discussion in 'Electrical Forum' started by Davisonp, Mar 4, 2017.

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  1. Davisonp
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    Davisonp Regular EF Member

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    I would value your opinions on this.

    I did an EICR and found two lights in a bedroom that are florescent lights so class 1 but the lighting circuit is old and does not have an earth. However, the lights are in vanity units, so you cannot touch the units without dismantling the vanity units. As they cannot be touched, can the C2 for using an earthed fitting on non earthed lighting circuit be downgraded to C3?
     
  2. HandySparks
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    Hmm. Is there any risk to someone changing a tube in the event of a fault?
     
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  3. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    C2 for me because to say they cannot be touched isn't good enough, you did:)
     
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  4. Vortigern
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    Vortigern Electrician's Arms

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    Are they on a lighting circuit or plugged in behind or at the side of it?
     
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  5. Davisonp
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    Davisonp Regular EF Member

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    Wired direct into the lighting circuit.
     
  6. Davisonp
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    Davisonp Regular EF Member

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    The more I think about it, the more I think it has to be changed to class 2 fittings if the client wants a satisfactory result.
     
  7. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    What does the best practice guide suggest?
     
  8. Davisonp
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    Davisonp Regular EF Member

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    Nothing for this scenario.
     
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    C2 in my book. CYA.
     
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  10. Ib≤In≤Iz
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    I would say a C2, the same as any other class 1 fitting without a cpc.
     
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  11. Andy78
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    Yes it does. Lack of cpc to a class 1 fitting is a specific example of a C2
     
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  12. Davisonp
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    The question was if the fitting is inaccessible, can the code change to C3.

    And the answer is defiantly “No”
     
  13. Andy78
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    But it's not inaccessible is it ?
    As Handysparks and Westward pointed out, it must be accessible enough to change lamps, and for you to determine that it is class 1 with no cpc.
     
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  14. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    It isn't inaccessible, you got to it. I think Class 1, no cpc, minimum Code 2.
     
  15. Vortigern
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    Maybe it's not accessible without a tool?
     
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