Commercial kitchen containment

[davesparks]

Does anyone know what, if any, rules cover the type of containment which can be installed in a commercial kitchen?

I have always been under the impression that stainless steel conduit is required, but have never had anything to back this up.

I'm just working on a quote for a load of odd jobs which includes adding a few more sockets in a kitchen. And I most certainly haven't been given access to the other 3 quotes which have already been submitted, none of which include stainless conduit, they all are for standard galvanised (or galvaneised in the case of one quote!) so this has got me questioning my understanding.

 

[Andy78]

I don't think I could see a reason to not have galv conduit in a kitchen....

 

[davesparks]

I don't think I could see a reason to not have galv conduit in a kitchen....

The rough surface gives a potential home to bacteria.
The possibility of corrosion wherever the galvanising is damaged.

 

[telectrix]

think stainless is required in food prep. and cooking areas, but don't quote me on that. might be an adea to speak to your local environmental health officers.

 

[spark 68]

I can vaguely recall something to do with the fixing of the containment, that normal saddles for the conduit were not allowed, they had to be a sort of stand off the wall type for cleaning reasons, I was not involved with that particular job though but another spark was querying a few bits with us.

As far as I was aware painted conduit was also allowed, that may have changed though.

 

[Leesparkykent]

http://www.bssa.org.uk/cms/File/Conf 03 SS for Hygienic Applications.pdf


About BSSA


Dont know if these help. Maybe worth popping an email off to the second link to see if they can point you in the right direction with regulations regards to the foods standard agency etc. personally I think stainless steel is the way forward in a commercial kitchen but it would be good to find a reg to back up your quote.

 

[davesparks]

Ta, but the link doesn't work

 

[jackhammerJIM]

worked for me dave try it again

 

[Andy78]

The rough surface gives a potential home to bacteria.
The possibility of corrosion wherever the galvanising is damaged.

I can think of plenty of rougher surfaces that would be just as close to food in many kitchens I have been in. And galv damage is usually repaired with galv paint. I would be extremely surprised if a health inspector snagged the specification of containment.
I know stainless steel is used for food contact areas but unless SS is in your spec for this job I think you mght be pricing yourself out of it without need.

 

[rapparee]

I can vaguely recall something to do with the fixing of the containment, that normal saddles for the conduit were not allowed, they had to be a sort of stand off the wall type for cleaning reasons, I was not involved with that particular job though but another spark was querying a few bits with us.

As far as I was aware painted conduit was also allowed, that may have changed though.

Hospital saddles?

 

[davesparks]

I'll try it on the laptop later, it may just not be working on the phone.

The next question that this logically brings to mind is what accessories should be used? Standard steel metalclad will have the potential for electrolytic corrosion, which everyone knows can be pretty rapid between steel and stainless steel in a damp environment.

 

[rapparee]

Buy Newey & Eyre Hospital Saddle, Steel, Galvanised, 20mm - CFSADHOSP20GV

 

[davesparks]

I know stainless steel is used for food contact areas but unless SS is in your spec for this job I think you mght be pricing yourself out of it without need.

As I said earlier I have most certainly not seen the other quotes, so there is no danger of me pricing myself out of this one.

Since the other people quoting haven't got a clue about how things are done in the entertainment industry I can well and truly spank their prices on the rest of the work, so overall if my quote for a few sockets in the kitchen is bit higher than them I'll still be leaps and bounds ahead of them.

 

[rapparee]

Electrix: 20mm Stainless Steel Conduit Hospital Saddles


Sorry this is stainless

 

[davesparks]

Electrix: 20mm Stainless Steel Conduit Hospital Saddles


Sorry this is stainless

That looks more like a distance saddle than a hospital saddle to me. But then I've often argued with the wholesalers about the difference between the two. A hospital saddle should have a flared base which tapers up to the conduit, wheras the distance saddle has much more square sides as in the link.

 

[Risteard]

I can vaguely recall something to do with the fixing of the containment, that normal saddles for the conduit were not allowed, they had to be a sort of stand off the wall type for cleaning reasons

Presumably you're referring to distance/hospital saddles.

I have done a School Meals Kitchen with stainless trunking before but also galvanised containment in other areas of the canteen.

 

[rapparee]

I thouht it was to do with the depth of the saddle not the actual form of manufacture that mattered. The smallest being space bar, distance then hospital. With munsen rings on a piece of threaded bar being the deepest lol.

 

[davesparks]

I thouht it was to do with the depth of the saddle not the actual form of manufacture that mattered. The smallest being space bar, distance then hospital. With munsen rings on a piece of threaded bar being the deepest lol.

A hospital saddle is defined by its shape, it should be a smooth curved surface. The reason being that dust and dirt will tend to roll of and not collect on them in a hospital environment, also it is easier to clean. It dates from the times when hospitals were kept spotlessly clean under the watchful gaze of matron.

 

[spark 68]

Presumably you're referring to distance/hospital saddles.

I have done a School Meals Kitchen with stainless trunking before but also galvanised containment in other areas of the canteen.

The actual type the other spark showed me were slightly different to either the normal distance saddles, or those hospital clamps shown earlier, they had two screw fixings for the wall part and
a short piece of solid round bar as the stand off bit with the back half of the clamp, a smaller version of what you see on gas/compressed air and water pipe fixings.

If I recall they were fitting plastic IP rated accessories, like I say I was not involved with the job, this may have been a food factory install though when I think about it, presumably they were working to a given spec sheet.

 

[davesparks]

The actual type the other spark showed me were slightly different to either the normal distance saddles, or those hospital clamps shown earlier, they had two screw fixings for the wall part and
a short piece of solid round bar as the stand off bit with the back half of the clamp, a smaller version of what you see on gas/compressed air and water pipe fixings.

If I recall they were fitting plastic IP rated accessories, like I say I was not involved with the job, this may have been a food factory install though when I think about it, presumably they were working to a given spec sheet.

Munsen rings!