Compatible downlights?

[Poozle]

Hi,

I'm looking for some advice as I'm feeling a bit clueless! 3 of our 4 bathroom lights seem to be failing or on the way out. They flicker constantly and dim on and off. They have only been in about 4 years so we weren't expecting them to go so soon. I was thinking that we would just replace them so we took one down to see what it was and it's a Scolmore LED 4400ch7w. My question is, do I have to buy the same brand to replace the faulty lights, or are there other brands that are compatible (and cheaper!). I've had a look online but I don't really know where to start! Grateful for any advice!
Thanks!

 

[telectrix]

what size is the hole/s in the ceiling? if 70mm or you can make them 70mm i recommend JCC V50 fittings.

 

[The Ghost]

You can put any light back in. However hole size can be different for different lights while you can't very easily make the hole smaller you can make it large with a bit of know how. More and more customers are rejecting the idea of a light that you have to replace completely rather than just change the bulb. And the LED lights touted as five years guarantee invariably don't meet such advertising puff I beleive it's called. So maybe get an IP44 light minimum, with an LED lamp that will replace your lights and then you just have to change the lamp, being much cheaper, in the future.

 

[Jay89]

If you’re replacing the whole fitting then another brand is fine as long as they’re suitably IP rated. Look out for one with a similar or larger cut out to avoid the need to patch the ceiling

 

[Midwest]

Do you have your receipt? Scholmore offer a seven year warranty on most of their downlights, unless the driver's been covered in insulation.

 

[Andy78]

Those should have a 10 year domestic warranty, get onto the installer or scolmore direct with proof of purchase.

SCOLMORE GROUP - OVIA LIGHTING | Inceptor, fire-rated, integrated LED downlight - https://www.scolmore.com/products/inceptor/

 

[GeorgeCooke]

If you are replacing them get 240v versions. There is no advantage in ELV LED lights.

 

[Toneyz]

Is this in a new house and have the lights been covered in insulation?

 

[Poozle]

Thanks for the replies!

I can't reach the ceiling to measure the hole at the mo, but I think it is probably around 70mm - the chrome rim of light is 80mm. If I wanted to replace the lamp bit only in future, would I need to buy a replacement for the white bit that attaches to the cable and what is it called?

The house is an old house but it was rewired about 4 years ago and I believe these were put in as part of the re-wire. Unfortunately though, whilst we have the certification for the rewire I don't think we have any other receipts. There is insulation above the lights - will that invalidate any warranty?

What is the IP rating and what should I be looking for there. These ones say IP65 on the side.

Also, where would you suggest going for replacements? Will the sell them in B&Q, Screwfix? Or do I need to go to a specialist shop?

Thanks again for the replies!

 

[Midwest]

If you are replacing them get 240v versions. There is no advantage in ELV LED lights.

Me thinks you'll find, day is de 240v version.

 

[Midwest]

The house is an old house but it was rewired about 4 years ago and I believe these were put in as part of the re-wire. Unfortunately though, whilst we have the certification for the rewire I don't think we have any other receipts. There is insulation above the lights - will that invalidate any warranty?

Ring up Scholmore. They might be embarrassed into exchanging FOC.

Don't tell them they were covered in insulation though.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Also, where would you suggest going for replacements?

I recently replaced someones knackered old 12V bathroom lights with these: GU10 LED Bathroom Downlight Fitting With Quick Connector - Chrome - https://www.ledhut.co.uk/fittings-fixtures/bathroom-fittings/gu10-ip54-bathroom-downlight-fitting-quick-connector-c.html

Plus 'bulbs' of course.

 

[Midwest]

What is the IP rating and what should I be looking for there. These ones say IP65 on the side.

Also, where would you suggest going for replacements? Will the sell them in B&Q, Screwfix? Or do I need to go to a specialist shop?

Thanks again for the replies!

Those are just right IP rating wise. Anything of IPX4 and above.

Do not go to B&Q! Google your product, and buy them online.

 

[Toneyz]

Did you have to unplug the fitting if so no electrical work would need to be undertaken, just plug new fittings in. As suggested try Scholemore first see how you get on. Make sure the new lights are not covered in insulation.

 

[GeorgeCooke]

Me thinks you'll find, day is de 240v version.

If you look at the picture it clearly shows a switch mode power supply on top of the lamp.

 

[dmxtothemax]

If your always looking for cheapest lighting ?
Then stop complaining about short life,
You get what you pay for
Pay less = Get less

 

[Midwest]

If you look at the picture it clearly shows a switch mode power supply on top of the lamp.

Can't physically see that? But in any case, as far as I'm aware all the Scholmore down lights input voltage is low voltage for the driver, the output voltage is extra low. Like most of the other sealed assemblies. Willing to be told otherwise.

 

[mattg4321]

You can fit anything to replace those downlights, but you will have to check the hole size and do some wiring to connect them.

If you don't want to do that then these will fit the hole and just plug in using the existing connectors fitted

Scolmore LED4600CH7D Inceptor Omni Fixed Dimmable Tri-Colour Switchable LED Fire Rated Downlight With Chrome Interchangeable Bezel & Flow Connector IP65 5.6W 240V, LED4600CH7D - http://www.discount-electrical.co.uk/product.php/404587420/scolmore-led4600ch7d-inceptor-omni-fixed-dimmable-tri-colour-switchable-led-fire-rated-downlight-with-chrome-interchangeable-bezel---flow-connector-ip65-5-6w-240v

FYI we had quite a few of the fittings that you've had fail, fail on us in a similar way. Interestingly it only seems to be the non dimmable type that have ever failed. If they were registered with Scolmore when installed, you will have a 10 year warranty.

 

[Midwest]

If it’s anything like the JCC debarkl, they’ll role over, registered or not!

 

[Poozle]

Thanks for the replies. I will give Scolmore a call in the morning. I've had a look online, but it looks like they might have discontinued that model as the only place that model seems to be available is ebay at £36.99 each!!
Archy - were they lights like mine that you replaced? Is what you posted in the link not a bulb? (please forgive the ignorance!)
Thanks!