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  1. TonyTheMulti
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    TonyTheMulti EF Member

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    Hi all
    New here. Apologies if this is in the wrong forum!
    I have a query regarding what will and won’t be possible with regard to a property I own in the north east.
    The 3 bed semi is empty and being completely stripped out of all finishes and all services inc water and plumbing. Right back to the supply.
    The question I have is - how far with the new install could I, not an electrician, go, for an electrician to be happy to sign it off once complete.

    For example. I am chasing out and plan on wiring in all new circuits completely. All under the floorboards of the first floor or (in the case of Ff lighting) under the loft boards (but not under insulation!).

    My plan is to do all of this and leave all the cables coming out of the top of the wall where I want the new CU to go.(not far from the existing one and the mains supply will reach as its closer to the meter). All cables labelled up an ready for an electrician to come and fit & wire in the CU (that I have already bought).

    Please note I’m not after advice on how to do things or trying to do any electricians out of work! But this is all down to the cost which is why I am choosing this route.

    My question is - would an electrician come in at the end of the job and install the CU to my labelled cables, test everything and sign it off? I am happy to take and show photos of work before it is concealed. And also I have all calculations, cable runs, sizes, anticipated loads etc all available to them if they wish.

    I’m not any joe bloggs. I have a degree in construction management, diploma in surveying practise, years of working in construction. Run many million pound projects including procuring electrical drawings and contractors for commercial work etc plus worked as an elec’s mate for a year a while back. Not trying to show off just wondering if this would make a difference to show I’m not just joe bloggs trying to put brown and black together in a house and hope it doesn’t go bang..!

    FWIW I could also competently fit and wire in the new CU but I imagine that’s a step too far for someone to come in, check, test And sign off ? (Though I wish it wasn’t?).

    Thanks for your replies !

    Tony
     
  2. ruston
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    ruston Respected Member

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    The model forms are a three signature form ; Designer, installer and,Tester. There is nothing to stop you doing it this way as long if you do it all above board , especially if you get building control involved and pay the the notification fee . That is a different route though.
    You should be able to get an electrician to cooperate with you in this situation .
    I am surprised you don't know a few. ;)
     
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    Rpa07 3000 posts - only 50554 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    Why don’t you get in touch with a local electrician right now and discuss it all with them. That way they could visit and observe, you could brainstorm ideas and you’ll end with a good working relationship.
    If you don’t do it this way you’ll make it more difficult for yourself later.
     
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  4. TonyTheMulti
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    TonyTheMulti EF Member

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    Hi thanks for the reply.
    The house is being done in one go and the electrics being done as and when each area is ready. This is why’s i didn’t want to go the building control route, because they ask for dates for inspectons etc and i can see it becoming hard to give them correct dates.

    I know a few electricians but none that I talk to much anymore. And none up the north!
     
  5. TonyTheMulti
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    Hi — this Is because I am concerned that if I do, then they’ll come round and try to tell me I need them to do x y and z and before I know it I’m paying out a few grand for them to re wire lol
     
  6. Vortigern
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    Vortigern Regular EF Member

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    With your background and statements you are able to do all the wiring you could do it all and get building control in. If you have done construction at the level you say you should know having to shell out a few K is not going to happen in the real world. You have to notify at least 48 hours before starting and they will come and inspect. As to the correct dates, spurious, you can arrange a date that suits. BC inspectors understand how it is with constructions and there are many slips twixt cup and lip. You would only have to pay the BC fee £3-400 dependant on where you are. Otherwise you can get a third party sign off. This will require being in at the design level and all stages of the process with drawings and testing as it goes on. Then the second fix again testing prior to commissioning. You will also need a spark to supply temporary power for tradesmen on site. The commissioning and final live tests and issue of EIC with BC notice from your spark. Me I would cost around 1k to do all that. But then of course you want to know the building is safe, yes?
     
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    geordie Electrician's Arms

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    planning meetings then site visits time to write up certificates. It’s going to be well over grand.
    Just out of interest are you doing the plumbing and gas work as well
     
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    Baddegg Still simmering Ken, not boiled yet buddy x Electrician's Arms

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    Apparently they have em up there.....:)
     
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    buzzlightyear please let me back in to the prison cell. Electrician's Arms

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    You need a good insurance for covering you property for the to do his own work ,third party will not cover if his house burns down ,if it would be better to work with a spark on the job with him .
     
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  11. TonyTheMulti
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    TonyTheMulti EF Member

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    Hi
    Thanks again for the replies.
    I will be doing the plumbing yes, but not the gas. There is no gas work to be done, the gas supply to the boiler and the boiler are the only two things that are salvageable in the whole house (lol).
    I was considering going through the local councils building control approval route but would they not want to come out more frequently as well, much like if i went to a local spark?
    'Well over a grand'.. really? I thought no more than 2 days labour and a little extra for the cert.. ?
     
  12. ruston
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    Talk to the building inspector he may accept your qualifications. They have the option to do that.
     
  13. TonyTheMulti
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    TonyTheMulti EF Member

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    Thank you - I did not know that. I will try to talk to the local bc on monday
     
  14. ruston
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    ruston Respected Member

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    Where are you in the North East?
     
  15. TonyTheMulti
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    TonyTheMulti EF Member

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    House is in Durham
     
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