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Apologies for what I am sure will turn out to be a noob error/misunderstanding, but I've done all the tests I can think of and cant make sense of what I'm seeing...


Basically I have a 3 lighting zones (13x GU10 downlights in total), each using one of the standard 2way dimmers that make up a 3 gang switch. One of the zones also has a regular 2way non-dimming slave.


I am planning to replace the 3 way with a Varilight Eclique dimmer, and the slave with the corresponding Varilight slave, but before I got started I did some tests to make sure the current wiring was clear to me. Which is where it got strange!...


Having spent way too long with my meter I am reasonably confident that the following diagram accurately represents how things currently stand, with all lights and switches working correctly :
lighting_complete.png
(ignore the Toilet feed and the extra light in zone 3 (which isnt actually connected yet), I just wanted a complete diagram for my own reference). Hopefully there's nothing too badly wrong with that picture(?), but when I then disconnect EVERYTHING except the live feed to zone 2 master (all 13 bulbs out, all terminals disconnected as shown below) and measure the voltage on the remaining 3 wires that normally connect to that master I get numbers that I just cant get my head around :
lighting_test.png
The only conclusion I can come to is that those wires have connections to something I have no visibility of, but why the strange numbers? (ie. I'd have thought they'd be pinned up to the full 240 or down to 0 in that case). I did continuity tests from both ends of the grey and black wires to all other points on that diagram and found nothing.


Any suggestions will be very gratefully received please? I dont feel confident that swapping in the Varilights is safe until I understand whats going on here, so I'm kinda stuck!...


Thanks in advance
 
If you are testing with a multimeter the likely cause is normal capacitive coupling between the energised brown core and the others, inducing a stray or 'ghost' voltage. If you test with a low impedance tester or voltage indicator, you will probably find that voltage collapses, as there is only a whiff of a microamp of current. The actual voltage you are reading is produced by a potential divider between the cable capacitance and the input resistance of the meter, and has no particular significance.
 
Great answer, thank you very much! Thats not a phenomenon I'd even heard of before, but googling since your post has opened my eyes somewhat. I may try to find another way of measuring the voltage, just to be sure, or I might just give the Varilights a try.

Thanks again for the prompt and detailed answer.
 

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