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  1. Enduro73
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    Enduro73 Active EF Member

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    Gloucester
    Hi guys
    Anyone done the domestic installer course withe Electrical Courses 4 You?

    I'm a self employed kitchen fitter looking to do the course. I'm only interested in what's required for my kitchens, not full rewire etc.
    I fully understand that I will be very limited in knowledge gained by these courses, but i simply just want to limit myself to what's required for my kitchens. The biggest jobs that will occur is the consumer unit change and upgrading the earth bonding, I know there the most important.
    With my knowledge being limited, should I survey a kitchen and think I could potentially hit a snag, I would book an electrician. One of my old electricians whom I'm friends with has offered to be a helpline and even bail me out if things go tits up.

    I know these courses get slated for teaching slap dash cowboys that don't care about their quality of work or their customers. I'm not like that, I'm overly conscientious. This is one reason of wanting to do it myself, sparks I've used don't think like me and I've had enough. I dare say there are amazing sparkies out there but I've had no luck.
    Reading about me and my work, do you guys think it's worth me doing?

    The money I would spend I would get back in 12 months, so cost isn't an issue.
    The course supplier is Electrical Courses For You.

    Thanks for any help or beatings.
     
  2. mattg4321
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    mattg4321 Electrician's Arms

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    Doing electrical work isn't a sideline in my opinion. I can't really think of anyone I've come across who does it (quite a few kitchen/bathroom fitters mostly) who I would have anywhere near a job of mine. It's simply too involved (if you want to do it properly) unless you're fully committed to it.

    You also need to factor in the costs associated with scheme membership, test equipment and yearly calibration, regular training etc etc

    I'd be looking for local recommendations for decent sparks to get in to work for you.
     
  3. Enduro73
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    Enduro73 Active EF Member

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    Cheers Matt

    I get where your coming from. In my experience most of the kitchen electrics is the same and not had any issues. I'm confident I could do the work, actually have done on the odd occasion with sparkies permission, he'd then test and do a minor works.
    Its always sockets and lights, sometimes new cooker circuit and that's about it. We've had the odd consumer unit fault nightmare, but I have a back up man for that
    I'm paying between 7-10k on electrical fees annually so I'd get my money back quickly.
    Food for thought tho.
     
  4. Vortigern
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    I would certainly look into our sponsors on here XS training/Trade skills for you. So you do domestic installer course then join a scheme as well. Why not indeed better than just doing without the relevant qualies. Do be careful to be sure that when you fork out the money the qualies you get will actually allow you to join a scheme. I suggest contacting a scheme such as NICEIC who the larger amount on here would recommend, and ask them what they need or look it up on line and see if that tallies with what your trainer is offering. As you have involved yourself and are active in the field it should be quite straight forward for you. Are you good at maths? If so it will be a doddle. The only other comment is that if you use an electrician instead of you doing it the liability for the work is not yours which for me is always a consideration. Have a look at this link for further info on what you need;
    Morris Services - Getting Started - https://www.morrisservices.co.uk/gettingstarted.asp
     
  5. Enduro73
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    Thanks everyone. My maths is fine so shouldn't be an issue.
    I understand the frustration of you guys reading a common thread, I've read older posts but they didn't relate to me, it was all for people starting a new career not a practicing tradesman.
    I will read the advice given and have a think.
     
  6. remedial
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    remedial Trainee Access

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    before u spend a small fortune on a course i recommend you buy a copy of the electricians guide to the wiring regulations and see how u get on with that
     
  7. Enduro73
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    Enduro73 Active EF Member

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    Remedial, that's a good shout
     
  8. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Stopped domestic sparking last year, but my work was mainly for one company doing bathroom & kitchen refurbishments.

    I encountered a few problems, especially with the kitchen works, where the previous refurbishment had been done by DIY’ers or probably, and no offence, the kitchen installers.

    I know of some other kitchen installers have followed your proposed route, and been successful. The company I did work for, have employed another sparks. They also choose to use other trades, like plasterers, painters etc.

    You’ll have to factor additional costs, like specific insurance (in relation to electrics), being in a scheme (for notifiable work, England & Wales), test equipment, additional training, etc.

    Will it make business sense?
     
  9. Enduro73
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    Enduro73 Active EF Member

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    Midwest, when you say problems do you mean issues that you couldn't resolve due to limited training?
    Financial side of things it would probably benefit me as I'm not paying 7-10k a year on sparky fees. I understand that I may need an extra couple of days to complete my installation if I do the electrics.
    Being able to do it all myself and not fight for space when another guy, sometimes 2, are in the kitchen with is another factor.
     
  10. remedial
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    remedial Trainee Access

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    I'm surprised you haven't just come to an arrangement with a local electrician whereby you chase in the cables and he comes along later to connect it up, test and sign off. That sort of thing is undoubtedly frowned upon by many but in the real world it happens a lot and is a reasonable compromise for all involved
     
  11. Enduro73
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    Enduro73 Active EF Member

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    To be fair I've not asked. I would imagine the sparky wont be happy as he's losing money and having to go elsewhere to make up for it.
     
  12. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Cheeky Sod.

    No I mean I had extra work to do, to correct the balls up done by the 'others' previously mentioned. Which was why sometimes I did kitchen refurbs on day rate; sometimes it was only after the old units were removed, to reveal what had to be done/corrected.

    If some of your reasoning, is because trades are falling over themselves, then you are not planning things properly. I was given dates, as to when I would have the venue to myself, to do my work. Same as the other trades.
     
  13. Zerax
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    Zerax Regular EF Member

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    I hate working on site with other trades... I'd much rather have the place to myself !
     
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  14. Enduro73
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    Enduro73 Active EF Member

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    Lol sorry
    I always need to be onsite when he's working to make sure it's right. It doesn't pay for me to have a day just so he can fo his bit.
    Perhaps I'm just getting grumpy in my old age, definitely less tolerant. Working in peace by myself seems so appealing now.
     
  15. Enduro73
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    Enduro73 Active EF Member

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    Flipping text.
    Meant that it doesn't pay for me to take a day just so he has a clear run.
    Although I did last week and had to chop the cooker hood supply over the freshly plastered wall by 50mm. My black marker must be invisible.
     
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