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  1. Barnaby Stedman
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    Barnaby Stedman Regular EF Member

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    Hello. Am a competent electrician - been taught by qualified electricians, but have no qualifications myself. I will be doing a complete rewire for a friend in Dunstable/Luton area and was wondering if it was more worthwhile to get a NICEIC/equivalent rated electrician in to produce an EIC or to get in LABC. I have an mft and can do all the tests etc but obviously would prefer a NIC guy to sign it off. Would someone do this for me?? and what sort of price.
     
  2. MFS Electrical
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    You’d be lucky be better getting a spark in a scheme to help you with the job. Would you sign off something someone else had done?
    I’m really sorry but how can you class yourself as competent a if your competence has never been assessed (not saying your not competent btw)
     
  3. Barnaby Stedman
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    Yes I can totally agree with you. There is a difference between a DIYer and a competent unqualified person. Price is the main issue why im doing it and not getting a spark in the scheme in.
     
  4. Strima
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    Speak to LABC and see what they would accept.
     
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  5. Barnaby Stedman
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    well they seem happy to come and do it but could charge up to £700 and was wondering if a spark could test and sign off for cheaper - i know of it being done before
     
  6. Midwest
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  7. Barnaby Stedman
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    Barnaby Stedman Regular EF Member

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    I agree - but im not really asking whether it can be done, I am asking whether electricians are ready to do this sort of thing
     
  8. MFS Electrical
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    Personally I wouldn’t ever sign of anyone else’s work qualified, competent or superspark most decent sparkies wouldn’t either IMHO
     
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  9. Barnaby Stedman
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    Ok interesting. Do you think you could give me some reasons why you wouldnt?
     
  10. MFS Electrical
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    If you read what is required for an EIC the certifier must have either constructed the installation or been present to ensure compliance signing it off would be misleading at best and at worst would mean taking the derry should something go wrong.... I’ve seen enough rough stuff done by so called professional electricians that have quals and are members of schemes to put me off ever signing off anyone else’s work
     
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  11. westward10
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    Hello Barnaby why don't you put yourself through college and get some qualifications.
     
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  12. Diver233
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    This is not a dig at you personally so please don’t take it that way. Most sparks have seen some real crap work done by alleged competent qualified electricians let alone unqualified ones.
    So imagine something goes pear shaped later, in a court of law the judge would crucify a qualified accredited spark for passing someone else work who is not in anyway qualified.
    Not many would sign that off without physically seeing all cables, connections, joins cpc etc etc and I do not just mean the cables that pop out the wall I mean the cables in the wall as well.
    Whilst I sympathise with you, acreditation is not easy to get and costs a spark a lot of time, money and effort why would he risk his to enable a non qualified person to carry out work they are not qualified to do.
     
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  13. Midwest
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    I dunno, it happens all the time with large, even small companies.

    Somebody at the company designs it and signs. Some of the companies employees install it, including subbies, QS will sign for that without even turning up. Then somebody will test it, somebody back in the office inputs the results. Might even sign for it :)
     
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  14. mhar
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    mhar Electrician's Arms

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    This scenario is what the 3rd Party notification scheme is for.
    Contact Stroma or Napit who will inform you which of their members local to you are authorised under the scheme.
    You will meet, agree the design, have the work monitored and then tested and notified at the end achieving full part P compliance
     
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  15. Midwest
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    I think OP is considering basing his business model, on someone else signing for inspection & testing, and notification.
    I don’t think using the third party scheme would be a financially viable method?
     
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