Discuss EICR codes when RECENT works don't comply!? in the Periodic Inspection Reporting & Certification area at ElectriciansForums.net
As it’s BS7671 which states installations which complied with earlier editions, are not necessarily unsafe and do not require upgrading, citing instances that complied with pre-BS7671 Regulations is rather redundant.Although that is an oft repeated phrase it is, nonetheless, incorrect.
Again I will use the examples of fused neutrals: these were permitted once, but that certainly wouldn't stop be from condemning them if I came across them now.
Problem here, is that there is no longer a requirement to provide RCD protection for sockets that might be used to supply equipment outdoors.I would give a c3 to a cable in a wall less than 50mm depth i certainly would not give a c2.
Sockets i might give a c2 but depends on other factors really, will eqipment be plugged in for out side use and stuff like that.
Nowhere does it state that they "do not require upgrading". What it actually states is that they do not necessarily require upgrading just because they don't comply with every respect with the current Standard. This doesn't give it carte blanche. It just means that due consideration must be given to the particular non-compliance and a safety judgement made.As it’s BS7671 which states installations which complied with earlier editions, are not necessarily unsafe and do not require upgrading
That is not what it means at all.Nowhere does it state that they "do not require upgrading". What it actually states is that they do not necessarily require upgrading just because they don't comply with every respect with the current Standard. This doesn't give it carte blanche. It just means that due consideration must be given to the particular non-compliance and a safety judgement made.
Problem here, is that there is no longer a requirement to provide RCD protection for sockets that might be used to supply equipment outdoors.
Would it be right to make an observation and apply a code for a non-compliance with a requirement from an earlier edition?
Doesn't that fall under the "don't ask don't tell" reg?I have this year converted my downstairs corridor lights to two way, cables concealed in oval conduit, no additional rcd protection and obsolete red, yellow and blue cable to boot
Another thing to consider: There is no requirement to provide RCD protection for cables concealed in walls.
It is just an option.
Yes it requires RCD protection for sockets (that are not intended for specific items of equipment) and for mobile equipment used outdoors.
There is no longer a requirement to protect sockets that could reasonably be expected to supply portable equipment outdoors.
Andy I always hear we can't condemn an installation that conforms to the standards at the time of installation but we are talking about an install that didn't confirm to the increased safety at the time. I get what you're saying "Why is something classed as more dangerous for the same issue because of a different installation date ?" But then why were the news regs bought into place?
What is the purpose of the EICR?
Is the customer trying to get a completion certificate off the council?
Finally,Andy got it The purpose of an EICR is not to carbon date,or time-team or do a character assassination on a previous installer...it is to assess,at that time,the condition of the electrical installation,and report.
As stated many times,two identical installation issues,could bring about different codes,or no code,in separate properties.
That is down to the opinion and judgement,of the inspector.
It’s quite simple.Sorry, but I'm feeling a little lost
Hopefully the generality of the first sentence covers the loss of specificity of the second?
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