EICR rectifications completed by another electrician, what now?

[Nigel]

what a farce ........... nobody can agree ............ but thing is for sure, and based on personal experience......... handing an unsatisfactory EICR and a couple of MWC's to a letting agent doesn't always guarantee they will "accept" that the installation is now "satisfactory"

To be fair it is only one member that seems to not understand how it should work.

 

[Octopus]

To be fair it is only one member that seems to not understand how it should work.

I’ve given you a disagree as I suspect a lot of sparks don’t know how it work ....

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Only for that item of work. Not the whole installation.

Judging from your comments regarding clients wanting a report to state ‘Satisfactory”, I can only assume you rarely conduct periodic Inspection and Testing.
In my experience which dates back to before the IEE/IET introduced the model forms, the majority of installations which require the client to obtain a report, would not willingly accept a report which states ‘Unsatisfactory’.

Personally, before completing and issuing a report, I will inform the client of the defects I have found, and offer to rectify those defects, in order to issue a ‘Satisfactory’ report.

Others will issue the report, offer to rectify the defects and also offer to issue another ‘Satisfactory’ report once the work is completed.

Others still will attend a property to Inspect, rectify any faults, not issue any certification for their work, make no notification and then issue a Visual.

 

[Nigel]

Judging from your comments regarding clients wanting a report to state ‘Satisfactory”, I can only assume you rarely conduct periodic Inspection and Testing.
In my experience which dates back to before the IEE/IET introduced the model forms, the majority of installations which require the client to obtain a report, would not willingly accept a report which states ‘Unsatisfactory’.

Personally, before completing and issuing a report, I will inform the client of the defects I have found, and offer to rectify those defects, in order to issue a ‘Satisfactory’ report.

Others will issue the report, offer to rectify the defects and also offer to issue another ‘Satisfactory’ report once the work is completed.

Others still will attend a property to Inspect, rectify any faults, not issue any certification for their work, make no notification and then issue a Visual.

We do more than enough. Regardless of how many we do my ability to understand and read basic guidance is not linked with how many I carry out.

Experience means nothing if during that time you were doing it incorrectly.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If you do more than enough, how is it you are unaware of the widespread demand for ‘Satisfactory’ reports?
I’ve spoken to Insurance companies on a number of occasions regarding this issue, not always successfully.
Client has had an ‘Unsatisfactory’ report, had the work done to rectify the defects, the Insurance company wants a new ‘Satisfactory’ report.

 

[Nigel]

If you do more than enough, how is it you are unaware of the widespread demand for ‘Satisfactory’ reports?
I’ve spoken to Insurance companies on a number of occasions regarding this issue, not always successfully.
Client has had an ‘Unsatisfactory’ report, had the work done to rectify the defects, the Insurance company wants a new ‘Satisfactory’ report.

Maybe you do not educate your clients as well as I do. I do about £50k worth of EICRs a year and never have the issue you describe.

 

[telectrix]

New balls please.!.

 

[Pete999]

New balls please.!.

That's what Serena asked for, fat chance.

 

[telectrix]

might get some from SWD, now he's gender neutral. .

 

[Marcus Vaughan]

My head hurts.

 

[Marcus Vaughan]

The last EICR I did was an unsatisfactory based on inadequate sized main earth and Equipotential bonding. A simple fix as it was all in a cellar.

Problem is that the customer decided to DIY the upgrade himself - and I never went back. So he (maybe) has ‘satisfactory’ Installation but an unsatisfactory report. He was the land lord of this rented property as well - so I wonder how he would get on with the insurers?

It’s all a bit of a minefield?

 

[Nigel]

The last EICR I did was an unsatisfactory based on inadequate sized main earth and Equipotential bonding. A simple fix as it was all in a cellar.

Problem is that the customer decided to DIY the upgrade himself - and I never went back. So he (maybe) has ‘satisfactory’ Installation but an unsatisfactory report. He was the land lord of this rented property as well - so I wonder how he would get on with the insurers?

It’s all a bit of a minefield?

It is really not a minefield. It is very very simple.

The insurer would probably not accept anyone not a member of a scheme carrying out the works.

 

[Octopus]

The last EICR I did was an unsatisfactory based on inadequate sized main earth and Equipotential bonding. A simple fix as it was all in a cellar.

Problem is that the customer decided to DIY the upgrade himself - and I never went back. So he (maybe) has ‘satisfactory’ Installation but an unsatisfactory report. He was the land lord of this rented property as well - so I wonder how he would get on with the insurers?

It’s all a bit of a minefield?

Not your problem .............

 

[Flanders]

If a report is unsatisfactory there will be a list of observations , If those observations have been rectified there will be paper work to show that ,
We produce a spread sheet listing them so its easy to cross referance .we have done doing this for years and all our customers find it easy to understand for example
Item ................Observation .............. Action carried out ............Results
1 . Broken socket in reception ...........Replaced socket...........0.45

Just a ruff example we put all relevant test reading depending on what work carried out.

 

[FatAlan]

Only for that item of work. Not the whole installation.

How about doing the appropriate certificate for the remedial work plus an EICR with detailed limitations referenced to a copy of the unsatisfactory report?

 

[Flanders]

How about doing the appropriate certificate for the remedial work plus an EICR with detailed limitations referenced to a copy of the unsatisfactory report?

An EICR has already be done so the condition of the installation has been reported there is no requirement to carry out another EICR untill the current one is out of date

 

[FatAlan]

I realise that but if the customer is not happy with certs and want another EICR... but then how many clients actually know what they are asking for?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What certification would be issued for replacing a broken socket front or switch plate?
How about a missing MCB blank?
Missing cover for a CU?
Switching over cables on incorrectly labelled circuits?
Replacing a socket with a blanking plate?

 

[Flanders]

I realise that but if the customer is not happy with certs and want another EICR... but then how many clients actually know what they are asking for?

I tell them they cant have one ,we just send them the releveant paper work and we have never had any issues

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I realise that but if the customer is not happy with certs and want another EICR... but then how many clients actually know what they are asking for?

As most EICRs are done so the client can give a copy of the report to someone else, what the client actually knows may not matter.