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  1. Jonny Rocket
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    Alright guys, I just wanted to know what you would pay me if I were working for you. Been working 4-5 years doing general electrics. House bashing, fire alarm systems, data cables, antennas, etc. Can safely say I can rewire a house on my own; ringmains, lighting, kitchens, outside lighting, SWA if that's the case, consumer units. Fairly competent if someone asked me to do a fire alarm panel. Intercoms. I can have a go at cameras but need more experience in data cables. Nothing to coax and TV's really. Performance in work I'd say I was enthusiastic, more so than the boss that can be lazy and an arsehole at times. I'm in my 3rd year of college and I will do my 18th edition when it comes out and my AM2 along with completing my portfolio. Not driving yet as I have never needed to. Got most of my own tools within reason. Haha. Just wanted to know what you think I would be worth, had to write an essay because I know it's hard to know someone's value without seeing them work but I've been as honest as I can. Thanks lads
     
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  2. Vortigern
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    I would start you on £7.50 per hour. If you were ok then £10.00 per hour. If you can do what you say you can do and don't go around bad-mouthing the people that employ you maybe £15.00 per hour. If you got really good £25.00 per hour. i.e. you can fully test and inspect and issue certificates and actually know what you are talking about.
     
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  3. Jonny Rocket
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    Okay, good to know! Haha. I'm fairly competent at testing and inspecting and I can fill in certs. Could do with more practice I guess. My boss usually does them but I can go around and do tests and write them in a diary or paper no problem.
     
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    agree roughly with vorti. there is one thing you left out in your OP though. can you make a decent brew? ;)
     
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  5. Jonny Rocket
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    I've done my fair share of tea boy duties! I'm sure I can make a solid brew! ;)
     
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    FatAlan Trainee Trainee Access

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    Just by the composition of your post you appear pretty switched on. Set up your business down here in Surrey and I'll come and work for you! Keep doing what your doing.
     
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    yipeeeeee !!!!! another scouser on the forum. now we'll give them southerners a kicking. :):):):):).
     
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  8. Jonny Rocket
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    Haha! Cheers mate. I just need to build up my confidence in knowing for sure I can do things. Boss always putting me down and trying to hold my hand giving me the shite jobs, but when he leaves me on jobs he is always made up with my work and speed and so are the customers and other lads on site.
     
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  9. Jonny Rocket
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    Hahaha is right lid!!! Go ed ;)
     
  10. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    confidence is bred into all scousers, we know we're the best. stuff your boss's attitude.
     
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  11. LankyWill
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    LankyWill Electrician's Arms

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    Technically your still an apprentice, so I would pay you £2.80 an hour and bank the rest for my holiday in the Maldives. You could get £12 an hour around my way if you competed your portfolio and NVQ. You seem switched on but until your working competently by yourself you won't fetch much past £10 an hour. Pricing where I live is tight.

    As for the driving you shouldn't rely on others to transport you about at your age. Your boss can't throw you out on your own for the day to test you if you can't drive. That will lower your employability
     
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  12. Jonny Rocket
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    Only on £50 a day. Just feel like I should be on more by now. Just needed a clue of what I was worth. Don't think I'll leave him for less than £90 I couldn't justify letting him down. He'd have to find someone shite and start all over with them and I don't think he has the patience. Hahaha
     
  13. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    £90 /day seems more realistic than £50. your boss is taking the proverbial. £50 for 8 hours is below minimum wage, so he's breaking the law.
     
  14. Jonny Rocket
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    I agree to be fair. I definitely need to be driving but money's tight with a kid and rent and all that. Need to sort it though. Just lucky he lives right by me
     
  15. davesparks
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    He's a third year apprentice so minimum wage is a lot less, around the £3 mark I think
     
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  16. Jonny Rocket
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    Yeah I think someone has convinced him to give me 60 because wage is going up soon... Whenever he wants I dunno.
     
  17. Vortigern
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    Wrong. You do need to, make it your next and most important objective. As @LankyWill@LankyWill noted (which I missed) it is a p.i.t.a to have to sort out improvers/workers transport, especially as you are grown up. That would downgrade my wage structure above for a start.
     
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  18. Jonny Rocket
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    I'm 25 so minimum wage isn't 3 pound an hour at all. I'm an apprentice but I get an adults wage, legally.
     
  19. Jonny Rocket
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    I agree mate. It's really difficult at the moment but it's gonna be my next investment. Get my driving sorted and all. He has never minded picking me up and we usually work together so it's never been an issue. But it has hindered me in a way.
     
  20. LankyWill
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    £90 seems way too much, I may sound like a tight barsteward. I was on £24 a day doing 12 hour shifts when I was an apprentice. I had to drive myself to the yard in the morning, and sort my 33 year old bosses life out. I felt like his psychiatrist in the end, but eventually when I passed my am2 I moved straight up to £120 a day. Then I was working as his subby doing fixes myself for him. I wouldn't bite the hand that feeds you if your not far off qualifying.
     
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    No There is a NMW for a 1st year apprentice which is currently £3.50 an hour. Any apprentice who has completed their 1st year and aged 19 and over is entitled to NMW for their age. 18-20 age bracket is £5.60, 21-24 is £7.05 and 25+ is £7.50.
     
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  22. anthonybragg
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    I think if you could drive it would open up your opportunities' is there any reason may I ask you can't drive. Are you happy working for this guy but just the money you're not happy with.
     
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  23. Jonny Rocket
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    Amen @LankyWill@LankyWill! Aha. Glad to hear you also been through difficult time with the boss! Aha. @anthonybragg@anthonybragg I'm disappointed with the money I'm getting because I know if I went with someone else I could get a bit more, but it's not worth leaving for. Me and my boss don't see eye to eye all the time. I take my time, he rushes, I'm laid back, he's a stress head, he won't help me but I'm a gofer, he will watch me struggle and give me ****, but if he is struggling it's my fault for some reason. He doesn't teach me, I teach myself. If I make a mistake I'm a liability, if he makes a mistake it's my fault. You know, that kind of guy...
     
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  24. Jonny Rocket
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    And I can't drive because everything has always been within reach, I need my provisional
     
  25. D00DY_T00DY
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    D00DY_T00DY Gorilla Whisperer Electrician's Arms

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    Nope. My minimum wage Is 5.60 and as a fellow 3rd year I feel your pain. Try running a car on this wage :(
    Bring on July next year.
     
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  26. Jonny Rocket
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    Exactly mate! Couldn't agree more. Can't wait until next year. As long as I smash my portfolio out now I will be sweet
     
  27. D00DY_T00DY
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    D00DY_T00DY Gorilla Whisperer Electrician's Arms

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    Lots of photos little motivation to write it all up :D
    What percentage you on? I don't wanna say it's shocking lol
     
  28. Jonny Rocket
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    Haha! Tell me about it bro. I've only just completed my first write up now, starting another next week! Can't be as bad as me bro. Ahaha :D
     
  29. D00DY_T00DY
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    D00DY_T00DY Gorilla Whisperer Electrician's Arms

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    Handful of write ups and two on site visits :D better take an hour out to get it sorted.
    Boss won't let training provider come for a visit says it takes too long ..
     
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  30. Jonny Rocket
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    Haha! Crap init mate. They want you to do better and be better at your work, but in the same respect they haven't got time for you to help you take pics or have an inspection. Feel awkward having to ask! Haha. Wish I was with someone that was a bit more easy going
     
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    darkwood For it is a human number, its number is 666 Staff Member Electrician's Arms

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    I started of on £27 quid a week on an apprenticeship, it was in the late 80's so equates to about £50 a week now accounting for inflation and you think even on £3.50 an hour is having it bad, yer don't know yer born lad! :rolleyes:
     
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  32. hightower
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    That kind of guy would be getting the middle finger (and a good scudding depending on my mood). I wouldn't even entertain that sort of attitude for a good wage, let alone the wage you're on.
     
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  33. D00DY_T00DY
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    D00DY_T00DY Gorilla Whisperer Electrician's Arms

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    £20 a day for half a year then upto £30 but bacon butties, a laugh and easy going. And time to read a book on the bus to Leeds! :D
     
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  34. KennyKen
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    That's northern wages for ya... down south (London) you could probably double that...
     
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  35. D00DY_T00DY
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    D00DY_T00DY Gorilla Whisperer Electrician's Arms

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    Just one problem... you have to go down south ;)
     
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  36. KennyKen
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    London was full of northerners who worked down there. Some companies even pay for Digs
     
  37. Diddy
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    Be careful is all I would say, sometimes our own echo chamber (friends and family) can give us an exaggerated value of our worth. Be realistic too, You are a 3rd year/stage apprentice and will most probably be getting charged out as such. I think to imply that you have "taught yourself" well that may be being a bit blinkered lol.....Someone has to show you to start with mate. Don't get me wrong we ALL felt like you do when doing our apprenticeship ect but keep your head down and keep applying yourself and you will be wondering what all the fuss was about in a couple of years.
    I would also get my driving lessons done if I were in your position...It will increase your value to any employer.
     
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  38. ruston
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    Another way to look at it is - think how much it would have cost you if you had to pay someone to teach you and give you the opportunity to learn what you have .
    loyalty is an attribute as well. Many get taught , then jack and go for the highest bid.
     
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  39. Jonny Rocket
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    Same here Doody! Hahaha. I've been working on and off sparking since I was 16. Think I only went up to 30 from 20 when I was 20! Fair Di's though, I was ****
     
  40. Jonny Rocket
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    Thanks for everyone's input, definitely taken everything on board. Just gonna stick it out. I've done it for this long, I can last another year or two no problem! Don't get me wrong, I've been taught how to do things for sure. But what I mean is when it comes to fault finding or how wiring systems work, I've always had to figure that out for myself because he hasn't got the patience.
     
  41. Jonny Rocket
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    Rent costs half as much up North, so swings and roundabouts
     
  42. KennyKen
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    Maybe ask for a raise? Or just bite the bullet until you're qualified. I've been there and I'm sure the rest of the blokes and sparkie chick on here have been there too.
     
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  43. D00DY_T00DY
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    D00DY_T00DY Gorilla Whisperer Electrician's Arms

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    Recently been given more responsibility. I'm now on fuse board duty.
    Offered to fit a 12way board on a Sunday for £70 :eek: suppose how good a wage it is depends on how long it takes me. 4hours maybe?

    (Just fitting, not testing it as well)
     
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  44. Jonny Rocket
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    He's putting me up to 60 a day so I'm happy with that for another year. Hopefully get my driving done shortly and I'll be more valuable and I can ask for another raise, which will hopefully go a fair way of maintaining my van! That's my plan
     
  45. Jonny Rocket
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    Yeah mate, I'd give half a day to do a board. And 70 quid is cheap and you know it!!! Haha. My boss is doing board change and certs for 300 quid
     
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