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Hi,

I am looking to purchase my first MFT for domestic installations next week and I wanted to query what the major differences between the Fluke 1652c and 1653b testers are.

Having checked the Fluke website it appears that the 1653B has a memory facility and can be connected to a PC (which appears to be rubbish from comments on this forum), as well as a 'Earth resistance' function. Can anyone briefly explain what this function would be used for?

Finally, is this function worth paying £200 - £400 extra for? If not, will a 1652c be sufficient for all of the tests required for domestic work?

Thanks in advance.

Skimpy Wan
 
I use the 1653B in work and the Earth resistance function for testing stactic earth rods at the gensets.

At home I have a 1652C and the only earth rods I test would be on a TT system when I use the Loop setting.

If your budget will stretch I would go for the 1653B as it has the extra functions including the memory function but the 1652C will also get you buy on most installations you may come up against.
 
afaik, the earth test function is to measur Ra. in domestic situations, measuring Ze should be all you need so i don't consider it's worth the extra.
 
Thanks for your replies.

As I am mainly 1st and 2nd fixing domestic new builds (and the occassional industrial / commercial property) as a trainee electrician / domestic installer, I guess I'll save the cash and put it towards my next qualification (or a scheme providers fees).
 
personally, i'd buy a megger 1552/3. easier to use than fluke. there's quite a few on ebay, some with cal. certs. good prices. or try test-meter.
 
personally, i'd buy a megger 1552/3. easier to use than fluke. there's quite a few on ebay, some with cal. certs. good prices. or try test-meter.

I am also considering a Megger MFT, however the newer MFTs seem to be getting back reviews / feedback from users on here (although I know that this seems to be as a result of out-of-date firmware on the device). Also, isn't there something to do with the RCD test on the Megger that causes problems or cannot actually be performed?
 
it's the 1700 series that's had the firmware issues. think it's sorted now. i've had no issues with either 1552 or 1553. rcd tests are a breeze. just set the mA, set auto, pesss test, then all you do is switch the rcd back on each time it trips, ant the mft stores all the times.
 
If you shop around you can get a good deal on either the Megger or the Fluke, although the Fluke testers are generally cheaper than the Fluke. Since the firmware upgrades the MFT1700 series seem to all be working fine and I've not heard of any more recent problems and both manufacturers offer a 3 year warranty.

I'd also look into the cost of replacement accessories before making a final decision, replacing leads can be a large ongoing cost so it's worth considering that too.
 
not cheap, but still a good buy. only thing bad about the meggers is the case. i've got a spare basic instuctions if you need.
 
I have posted this previously, but just in case you have missed it, here is a guide to the procedure of using the Fluke 1653/4 memory. As you will see mate it's far from simple and is definitely much slower than pen and paper, even when you have designed your forms and set it all up. There is a default Fluke format form in the Fluke DMS software ("optional", at extra cost) but it's non-standard and about as much practical use as a chocolate fire-guard:

Storing and Recalling Measurements
(Fluke Models 1653B and 1654B)

Using Memory Mode:
You can store up to 444 measurements (more on 1654B) on the tester. The information stored for each measurement consists of the test function and all user selectable test conditions.
Data for each measurement is assigned a data set number, data subset number, and a data id number. Memory location fields are used as described below.
Use the data set field (a) to indicate a location such as a room or electrical panel number.
Use the data subset field (b) for circuit number.
The data id number field (c) is the measurement number.
The measurement number automatically increments. The measurement number can also be set to a previously used value to overwrite an existing measurement.

To enter Memory mode:
1. Press the M to enter Memory mode. The display changes to a memory mode display. In Memory mode, the N icon appears on the display. The primary numeric display will be active with the left two digits (a) indicating the data set number (1-99) and the right two digits (b) indicating the data subset number. The decimal point separating these two values will be active. The secondary numeric display (c) will be active indicating the data id number (1-444). The memory locations (a, b, or c) will flash, indicating that you can change the number using the arrow keys U.
2. To enable the data subset number to be changed, press 1. The data subset number will now be flashing. To enable the data sub number to be changed, press 1 again. The data set number will now be flashing. Press 1 again to change the data id number.

Storing and Recalling Measurements:
3. Press the down arrow key (U) to decrement the enabled number or press the up arrow key (U) to increment the enabled number. For storing data, the number can be set to any value, overwriting existing data is allowed. For recalling data, the number can only be set to used values.
Note:
If you press the up or down arrow key (U) once, the number increments or decrements by one. If you press and hold the up or down arrow, the numbers increment or decrement quickly by approximately 10 digits per second.

To store a measurement:
1. Press M to enter Memory mode.
2. Press 1 and use the arrow keys (U) to set the data identity.
3. Press 2 to save the data.
If memory is full, FULL will appear on the primary display. Press 1 to choose another data identity, press M to exit Memory mode.
• If the memory is not full, the data will be saved, the tester will automatically exit Memory mode and the display will revert back to the previous test mode.
• If the data identity has been previously used, the display will show STO? Press 2 again to store the data, press 1 to choose another data identity, press M to exit Memory mode.

To recall a measurement:
1. Press M to enter the Memory mode.
2. Press 3 to enter the Recall mode.
3. Use 1 and the arrow keys (U) to set the data identity. If no data has been saved, all fields will be dashes.
4. Press 3 to recall the data. The tester display will revert to the Test mode used for the recalled test data, however, the N icon still appears, indicating the tester is still in Memory mode.
5. Press 3 to toggle between the data id screen and the recalled data screen to check the recalled data id or to select more data to recall.
6. Press M to exit Memory mode at any time.

To clear all memory:
1. Press M to enter Memory mode.
2. Press 4. The primary display will show Clr? Press 4 again to clear all memory locations.
3. Press M to exit Memory mode.
Note:
All memory locations are cleared when you clear memory. Single memory locations cannot be cleared, but they can be overwritten. See “Storing a Measurement” earlier in this manual.

To upload test results:
1. Connect the IR serial cable to the serial port on the PC.
2. Attach the IR adapter and the device to the tester.
Be sure to align the IR adapter to the IR port on the tester.
Note:
The IR data port is disabled when test leads are plugged in. Disconnect test leads before attempting to upload test results.
3. Start the Fluke DMS software program on PC.
4. Press O to turn on the tester.
5. Refer to the software documentation for complete instructions on how to set the date/time stamp and upload data from the tester.
Note:
The Fluke DMS software is not inclusive in the 1653B or 1654B kits and must be bought separately. Fluke DMS 0100 for Installation Tester £270 +VAT (Professional £331 +VAT) or Fluke DMS Complete for Installation and PAT Testers £557 +VAT (Professional £746 +VAT). The software does not contain standard IET, NICEIC, NAPIT, ECA, or ELECSA forms these have to be manually created by the user in the Fluke DMS form creator/editor. April 2012.
 
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bloody 'ell. i'll stick with the megger and a pen.
 
not cheap, but still a good buy. only thing bad about the meggers is the case. i've got a spare basic instuctions if you need.

Cheers dude,

Cheers dude,

As far I can tell I have received an 'AS NEW' unit. It has:

an unmarked case (which still has the protective film on the screen);
all leads are in re-sealable bags (which contained a 3-pin plug, 3 test leads / crocodile clips / GS38 tips);
red test probe with 2 interchangeable tips;
Megger Powersuite CD-Rom;
Megger Product Documents CD-Rom;
Megger MFT1500 Series Demonstration CD-Rom;
Megger H&S ‘Fused Leads’ leaflet;
Megger Warranty card;
Megger MFT1500 Series Quick Start Guide;
Megger Calibration Cerificate; and
SkySmart Calibration Certificate.
If I’m missing something please let me know ...
 
Cheers dude,

Cheers dude,

As far I can tell I have received an 'AS NEW' unit. It has:

an unmarked case (which still has the protective film on the screen);
all leads are in re-sealable bags (which contained a 3-pin plug, 3 test leads / crocodile clips / GS38 tips);
red test probe with 2 interchangeable tips;
Megger Powersuite CD-Rom;
Megger Product Documents CD-Rom;
Megger MFT1500 Series Demonstration CD-Rom;
Megger H&S ‘Fused Leads’ leaflet;
Megger Warranty card;
Megger MFT1500 Series Quick Start Guide;
Megger Calibration Cerificate; and
SkySmart Calibration Certificate.
If I’m missing something please let me know ...

Nice to see our combined advise (Tel , myself and others), in this and other posts, has not fallen on deaf ears. Good choice Skimpy Wan! It's difficult to tell which Megger MFT 15xx you have bought from the above, however, which ever Megger MFT 15xx you have chosen, congratulations on avoiding the Fluke alternatives which all use inferior loop and continuity test methods.
It's such a shame that Megger made the blue-tooth data storage /transfer so complicated and counter-intuitive on the MFT1530 and MFT1730 otherwise they would be the market leaders.
Megger, if you are reading this, look at the local forms method used on the Seaward 1557 Power Test, if you can adopt a similar but simpler method of filling/downloading IEE, NICIEC, ECA, ELECSA and NAPIT forms, you will be on to a market winner.
 
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