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  1. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    Hi I have a Fluke 1653b and it claims to have Pass/Fail indication on RCD's ?? Where? Is this on the auto mode?
    I can only get it to auto test then I have to scroll through all the measurements. There is no mention of this feature in any of the manuals?? Help!!!

    Thanks
     
  2. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    can't see a pass/fail being any use as different installations may have different pass times. e.g. 300mSec for TN. 200mSec for TT.
     
  3. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    Unless your testing a few hundred rcbos in a single installation/location so you have purchased a meter with a pass fail indication that you would have assumed you could set maximum values for different earthing arrangements/reg updates
     
  4. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    Thanks for your opinion on the illusive feature what I would like to know is where is it how do you obviously configure it to maximum permissive values and why is it advertised but not documented in the manual
     
  5. Meggerman
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    Also with a 30ma RCD how does it know if it is BS or BSEN with the different trip times. My megger 1730 and my older 1510 do just say >40 if it fails 5X test. However, If you know the values, which you definatly should, and have to record them anyway, what is the advantage??
     
  6. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    GroundHog Day : Set the meter to maximum permissible values hit go test test trip trip trip trip "Pass" move on?? This is part of a regular check and not for certification purposes. Odd I know. I just need to indicate satisfactory or not on each circuit.
    Its advertised with RCD Pass Fail indication but obviously not in auto mode???
     
  7. Meggerman
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    Mines got auto test, 1/2 (0/180), 1 x (0/180), (30ma only) 5 x (0/180). I then scan through and know if they are acceptable or not. It aint PAT testing, you need to know what values are Ok or not dependant on what RCD you are testing.
     
  8. Richard Burns
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    At the top of the display just right of middle the RCD√ symbol is the pass fail indicator.
    I am not sure if it operates in auto mode but it does operate for trip time and trip current, depending on your selection.
    On page 54:
    The tester is set for the following Maximum Trip Time
    The RCD √ symbol switches on when testing the RCD trip time if the trip time meets the
    following conditions:
    RCD I [SUB]Δ N[/SUB] Trip Time Limits
    AC G, A, B x 1 Less than 300 ms
    AC G-S, A-S, B-S x 1 Between 130 ms and 500 ms
    AC G, A, B x 5 Less than 40 ms
    AC G-S, A-S, B-S x 5 Between 50 ms and 150 ms
     
  9. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    Thank you Rich. Thanks to others for having a go, its the taking part that counts. lol "It aint PAT testing" indeed you need a pat tester for that.
     
  10. Meggerman
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    If you knew you wouldn't need a tick or a X, would you. Im referring to the fact that you should not be testing installations with "GO / NO GO" testers, you should verify results.
    Also OP:
    1. What is maximum 1x disconnection time for BS4293 30ma RCD?
    2. What is maximum 1x disconnection time for BSEN 61008 30ma RCD?
    3. How does your Fluke know the difference when it gives you a tick?
     
  11. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    Lets say you manually input a data set within the tester. This would be a maximum value from a table from our favourite little book. You would test said RCD and if the value was exceeded then you would get a big sad face on the screen. I think you already knew that though as I have said it a few times already. Im sorry
     
  12. Meggerman
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    Have you done testing before? Do you realise there are different types of RCD's, different ratings, delays etc?
     
  13. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    No I just bought a new meter because I'm bored of space invaders
     
  14. Meggerman
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    Meggerman Guest

    Oh well :), if I were you I would have used that cash and have upgraded that Atari for an XBOX One, more akin to your talents.
     
  15. darker
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    darker EF Member

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    All about the game boy lol. Thanks and happy sparking
     
  16. davesparks
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    He has already explained that this is not part of an EICR or EIC testing process but a regular check obviously required by his employer.

    I am assuming this is just a more indepth version of pushing the test button every month.
     
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