Interesting three way conversion to two way and swap for time lag.

[buzzlightyear]

I think I have got it .its gone now.

 

[The Ghost]

Where is the light in your drawing

Just assume there is a light and the L and N go to it. Just concerned with the three way lighting and how it pops the sw. return out.

 

[Leesparkykent]

@Leesparkykent you are missing the two wires in sw 1, look at the grid switch with a borrowed live from the adjacent grid switch you can see two wires in the common.

Yeah I see that, that's where it's picking its feed up from.

 

[The Ghost]

looks like two reds in common to me

Yep that's what I said, so one is the L what do you think the other one is?

 

[The Ghost]

So any trainees out there care to chime in?

 

[buzzlightyear]

So any trainees out there care to chime in?

you could do with a old timer on this one .

 

[The Ghost]

you could do with a old timer

Nah the problem is sorted just thought I'd throw it out there for a bit of light entertainment. Lets just say it's thinking outside the box, or cutting the gordian knot. I just thought it might be good for trainees to have a think about as it's the sort of thing we come across all the time and have to think it through.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Nah the problem is sorted just thought I'd throw it out there for a bit of light entertainment. Lets just say it's thinking outside the box, or cutting the gordian knot.

and I just put the pop corn in the mic/wave .

 

[The Ghost]

I assume it is something like this.

 

[Leesparkykent]

View attachment 42377 I assume it is something like this.

That would of never worked.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I assume it is something like this.

That would of never worked

try again ,Vort.

 

[The Ghost]

Well maybe not.
Ok if I go with the idea the yellow is the sw. return which was my first thought. Where does the mystery wire go? Maybe it is another feed to another light. But anyway the thing is, is it possible to do away with the first switch and run a master/slave time lag. And by the way at the light fitting it is a red cable as the sw. return. I know this is all a bit silly as I said just a bit of fun.

 

[buzzlightyear]

keep trying ,Vort ,it will come to you ,god loves a trier .

 

[AJshep]

It's late and I've had a few birthday beers tonight, but my thoughts are to run 2 masters rather than master and a slave.

Doesn't look like you have enough wires otherwise.

Does the live out (red) go to an Em light ?

 

[The Ghost]

Does the live out (red) go to an Em light

Sw 1 picks up its L from the adjacent grid switch, which is a fish key switch for the emergency lights with a separate supply to the emergency lights on the same circuit. If you switch off the fish key switch emergencies and lights on stairs go out together. Any yes it is a bit late to think this through.

 

[The Ghost]

2 masters rather than master and a slave

In order to run anything you would have to have a live and switch return. If I do away with sw. 1 there will be no live at sw. 2 and sw. 3. Anyway I had hoped some trainees would seize on this and lead the way. Shame they have not. I really don't want to make everything too obvious.

 

[The Ghost]

keep trying

Bit of input here @buzzlightyear would be appreciated. Give it to me baby.

 

[Wilko]

I've only got one thing to say ... no, not even one ...

 

[The Ghost]

Anyway I'm done for today can't even spell correctly. Or think, time for a steel bottom I'd say.

 

[The Ghost]

Anyway the two way switching is not the issue and is a complete red herring which I did not want to say but there I've blurted it out now as I'm getting tired. First off the whole of the two way switching would be disposed of. For a master and slave or master and master you only need two cables. Just a clue to the clueless.