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  1. Corbs
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    Corbs Regular EF Member

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    Right some back story

    we rent a unit, 3 years ago they upgraded/updated the old consumer unit (metal, pull out fuses to a crappy plastic crabtree ) as they said they needed to for new regs / insurances etc

    now get a letter through as there 3 years old there due for inspection and testing (the normal lot) thats fine

    they come out 2 hours later they say your failed right ok what on

    1, sockets arnt earthed (10 or so sockets fed from 20mm conduit and thats fed from 50x50 galv trunking they say it requires its own cpc (check pic out)

    my question are they correct or does the conduit and trunking surphise / accactable and why didnt they pick this up when they changed the board ?

    2, my 3 phase spot welder isnt earth and you cant use the swa as an earth as it doesnt have banjos on the metal boxes either end so need to be re run

    my question i think this is bollox but at most it just needs banjos fitting

    right or wrong?

    the install was done 20 or so years ago if it matters by a commercially sparky

    pics below

    any questions or more pics just ask

    ta shaun

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  2. Pete999
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    What testing did they do?if any, did they say the installation had failed verbally, or via an EICR document. If what you're saying is correct, it sounds like these guys a right outfit, come back with pics of the report sheets and the EIC certificate for the board change.
     
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  3. Corbs
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    Corbs Regular EF Member

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    tbh dont have a clue all was done with a mft thats as much info i could get off them, They didnt leave any paperwork with me for either the board change (3 years ago) or what they did on this inspection

    which i though they have too being rented esp a board change
     
  4. Pete999
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    Did you order the work on behalf of you're Land Lord, or did you bypass him altogether? Looking more than likely these guys are Cowboys, if the Land Lord requested the work ask Him for a copy of both the Report and the Certificate, do you know if they belonged to any of the Competent Persons Schemes (NICEIC, STROMA, NAPIT, ECA etc)
     
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  5. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    It is perfectly acceptable for the armour of a swa cable and metal containment such as steel conduit and trunking to be used as an earth providing its continuity is satisfactory. The swa cable should be fitted with "banjos" though.
     
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  6. Corbs
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    Corbs Regular EF Member

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    sorry didnt answer one of your q in the last it was verbally until he typed up the report for the landlord

    and landlord arranged everything

    tell me about it they didnt know how to wire up / from a 3 phase supply and said my 3ph welder was dangerous due to it only having 1.5mm hr flex needs 2.5mm only pulling 10 amps :D

    and as soon i get anything from the landlord i will post it up

    see the situation i dont want is the landlord coming back and saying my install is dangerous when its not and the landlord changing me to put it right on the basis of the muppets who tested it

    niceic top right on the board :)
     
  7. Corbs
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    as i thought and thats fine as i thought, so the gland and nut isnt really acceptable for earthing (yes the armor is terminated correctly)
     
  8. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    No it should have the "banjos" fitted.
     
  9. Corbs
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    Corbs Regular EF Member

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    thats fine so the supply doesnt need to be re run tho ?
     
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  10. Matthewd29
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    Sounds like they are trying to hold you prisoner for your cert by making you pay them to do 'remedial' works. Seems to happen an awful lot. Get a different spark in don't tell him anything on the last one and see what he comes up with!
     
  11. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    banjos may not be necessary if the metal casings provide earth continuity and there are flyleads added where neeeded.
     
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    whereabouts in wales. one of us may be close to give a 2nd opinion.
     
  13. Corbs
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    Corbs Regular EF Member

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    thats the problem i cant as its rented
     
  14. Corbs
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    Corbs Regular EF Member

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    if it comes down to it i will and your not too far from me :D
     
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  15. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    just give me a pm if needed.
     
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