new builds with no rcd protection?!?

[michaelw6]

i have recently been into a couple of property's which are apartments with no rcd protection. there are about 40 of these apartments in this block all of which i assume are the same.
i have checked the main incomer which just goes through an isolator and 80a mcb to the apartment with two supplies, these go into a quickline 2 board with two main isolators either side split peak and off peak.
with 17th edition i did not think this would be aloud.

Im requesting they change the mcbs for rcbos what are your views in case ive missed something here!

 

[Plonker 3]

You say new build. But how old and when were they designed?

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

 

[Deleted member 26818]

When were the apartments designed?
If the design was made to the 16th edition, then there would have been no requirement for RCD protection, even if construction commenced after the 17th edition was introduced.

 

[Guitarist]

When were the EIC's signed off?

 

[Top Cat]

You say new build. But how old and when were they designed?

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

Where did it say new build?

 

[Guest55]

Where did it say new build?

er , look above every post lol.

 

[Plonker 3]

Where did it say new build?

In the title of the thread.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

 

[Deleted member 26818]

In the title.

 

[Top Cat]

In the title of the thread.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

OOOPPPSSS didn't read that! Sorry!

 

[Plonker 3]

Thats fine its Friday night so I wouldn't expect anyone to be completly coherant at this time of night.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

 

[Knobhead]

OOOPPPSSS didn't read that! Sorry!

Benny wears glasses so why shouldn't TC?

 

[Top Cat]

Benny wears glasses so why shouldn't TC?

I thought they were ears!

 

[StuSpiers]

It's not an absolute requirement circuits are rcd protected.

Rcd's are often the most cost efficient way of satisfying bs7671 but not the only way.

Check the wiring systems.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Unless you use SELV for locations containing baths or showers, every 17th edition installation with such a location will require at least one circuit to have RCD protection.

 

[StuSpiers]

you say apartments.

Skilled person present?

Janitor/care taker with relevant qualifications?


I agree they should have at least some rcd protection but just trying to think of why they wouldn't.

I guess you could also rule out use of exterior sockets/appliances on anything above ground floor.

 

[spark 68]

you say apartments.

Skilled person present?

Janitor/care taker with relevant qualifications?

You cannot use the skilled/instructed person rules in a domestic installation.

 

[AndyL]

It's not an absolute requirement circuits are rcd protected.

Rcd's are often the most cost efficient way of satisfying bs7671 but not the only way.

Check the wiring systems.

Surely they would have a few sockets in the apartments though, which would need RCD however they are wired

 

[StuSpiers]

Yup I agree I've been reading and I cant really see any valid loop holes as to why they wouldn't put them in.

either designed to 16th or not designed to bs7671 (not law don't forget) don't ask me how they got signed off though.

 

[michaelw6]

Yup I agree I've been reading and I cant really see any valid loop holes as to why they wouldn't put them in.

either designed to 16th or not designed to bs7671 (not law don't forget) don't ask me how they got signed off though.

yes 16th edition design i reckon.
but i dont thing there should be no rcd protection at all even 16 required some protection.
although both apartments i checked were not on ground floor...

 

[Guest55]

You cannot use the skilled/instructed person rules in a domestic installation.

With one exception - an electricians home.
Seriously.
Think about it.