New socket on ring main - replace consumer unit?

[westward10]

Doing a straight swap socket front for socket front, would this not just be classed as Maintenance, Just playing Devils Advocate.

What if I replace a damaged like for like dist board.

 

[andyb]

That's not playing devil's advocate, that's playing the devil himself.

 

[sparksburnout]

You would provide a MWC for replacing a like for like socket????

 

[westward10]

You would provide a MWC for replacing a like for like socket????

Yes.

 

[sparksburnout]

Yes.

Including ALL the tests on it? properly? And how much would you charge the customer for this? Amazing.

 

[westward10]

Including ALL the tests on it? properly? And how much would you charge the customer for this? Amazing.

Yep, most of the remedials/repairs we do are from EICRs so we allow for retesting.

 

[GMES]

Westy can you try and keep your replies a bit shorter please mate

 

[westward10]

Westy can you try and keep your replies a bit shorter please mate

Better

 

[sparksburnout]

Yep, most of the remedials/repairs we do are from EICRs so we allow for retesting.

I am quite amazed. I can't imagine you are employed for a living. Why would you think it is necessary to provide a MWC for a simple socket replacement? This is something that a householder is allowed to do?

 

[Doomed]

Completely off topic, but we switched a like for like light fitting in a shop, and the management company now want a minor works - ffs the job took 20 minutes, the test would take about 3 hours after I had disconnected the other light fittings for the insulation test, done all the tests and then reconnected them (which would then mean I potentially could of introduced more faults / loose connections).
Sometimes the insistence of a minor works is a bit silly - fair enough if you are altering the circuit (as they are designed for) but just for a like for like replacement? What rot!

 

[andyb]

Including ALL the tests on it? properly? And how much would you charge the customer for this? Amazing.

What tests? I only put whats relevent. Zs, ocpd, rcd test if present, whatever. I don't do IR or R1+R2. It takes a couple of minutes to change a socket, I charge for an hour, plenty of time to fill out a MWC.

 

[Doomed]

The minor works I use have boxes for insulation tests and R1+R2, so my logic is that if I don't fill out the cert as it is designed to be filled out there is no point in doing the cert at all.

 

[sparksburnout]

Completely off topic, but we switched a like for like light fitting in a shop, and the management company now want a minor works - ffs the job took 20 minutes, the test would take about 3 hours after I had disconnected the other light fittings for the insulation test, done all the tests and then reconnected them (which would then mean I potentially could of introduced more faults / loose connections).
Sometimes the insistence of a minor works is a bit silly - fair enough if you are altering the circuit (as they are designed for) but just for a like for like replacement? What rot!

I think hes just winding us up. maybe been on the magic mushrooms by the picture.

 

[sparksburnout]

The minor works I use have boxes for insulation tests and R1+R2, so my logic is that if I don't fill out the cert as it is designed to be filled out there is no point in doing the cert at all.

Absolutely. I have the same one as you, IR, R1+R2. Either do it right or don't bother, there is no need anyway!!

 

[Doomed]

I think hes just winding us up. maybe been on the magic mushrooms by the picture.

Even more off topic - HMS Hood and shrooms -what are YOU on boy?

 

[andyb]

Absolutely. I have the same one as you, IR, R1+R2. Either do it right or don't bother, there is no need anyway!!

They all have the same, I just put N/A.

 

[westward10]

Completely off topic, but we switched a like for like light fitting in a shop, and the management company now want a minor works - ffs the job took 20 minutes, the test would take about 3 hours after I had disconnected the other light fittings for the insulation test, done all the tests and then reconnected them (which would then mean I potentially could of introduced more faults / loose connections).
Sometimes the insistence of a minor works is a bit silly - fair enough if you are altering the circuit (as they are designed for) but just for a like for like replacement? What rot!

Why do you want to disconnect all the fittings, just do IR to earth.

 

[sparksburnout]

They all have the same, I just put N/A.

Do you have a standard pro-forma for socket/switch/FCU etc swaps, with "N/A" in all the boxes?
I am losing the will a bit here. If I gave most of my customers a MWC for changing a socket they would roll it up and throw it at me.

 

[sparksburnout]

What tests? I only put whats relevent. Zs, ocpd, rcd test if present, whatever. I don't do IR or R1+R2. It takes a couple of minutes to change a socket, I charge for an hour, plenty of time to fill out a MWC.

Just thinking about it, if you are changing a socket on an RFC, the only test worth really doing is a continuity test at the CU in case one of the conductors has snapped when you screwed it back on, but you don't do that?

 

[andyb]

Do you have a standard pro-forma for socket/switch/FCU etc swaps, with "N/A" in all the boxes?
I am losing the will a bit here. If I gave most of my customers a MWC for changing a socket they would roll it up and throw it at me.

Well I assume you do some tests, what do you do with the results?