Electrician Jobs Oven switch isolator is missing, C2 on EICR

[Igor Taranenko]

Hi All, I'm doing remedial work for one property following unsatisfactory EICR to rectify C2 issues.

I'm slightly amused by some quotes left on the report by another electrician.

Here it is

"No accesible isolator switch for oven" C2

I had a look and found that the oven is 13a rated plugged in to a socket behind. You would need to unscrew it and pull it out to see the plug behind. Isolator switch might be handy but should it be classed as C2?

I've spoke to one electrician I know and he said it shouldn't be issued as C2

Any other views are welcome

Thanks

 

[Octopus]

I would agree about the socket being inaccessible...... whether it warrants a C2 is another question

 

[Strima]

So is this a gas oven with the supply for the clock and igniter only? If so then no code.

 

[littlespark]

Its not the socket in the wrong place, its the unit that the cooker is housed in. So the electrical system is fine and shouldn't be coded.
(unless there are other issues with it)

 

[Octopus]

So is this a gas oven with the supply for the clock and igniter only? If so then no code.

So @Bob Geldoff1234 you have given a disagree .... please explain ....

 

[davesparks]

So is this a gas oven with the supply for the clock and igniter only? If so then no code.

This implies that if it is not a gas oven it should be coded? If so then what and why?
As I see it the problem is the same regardless of whether it is gas or electric.

 

[Strima]

This implies that if it is not a gas oven it should be coded? If so then what and why?
As I see it the problem is the same regardless of whether it is gas or electric.

You are correct, as usual... Lack of local isolation in domestic would not warrant a code.

If the isolation for an electric oven was inaccessible then possibly a C3 for access for maintenance.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

There is no requirement in BS7671 for cookers to be provided with isolation.
There may be a requirement for the circuit to be provided with isolation, which would be at the origin of the circuit.

If the cooker is fed from a dedicated circuit using a 13A plug as means of connection then there would be no valid reason for applying a code.
If the cooker is fed from a RFC, then perhaps a code C3 could be applied as there would be inconvenience in switching off all the other equipment connected to the RFC.

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

So @Bob Geldoff1234 you have given a disagree .... please explain ....

All appliances need a means of isolation that is accessible without removing the appliance.It makes no difference if the oven is powered by electric,gas or pixie dust,you still have to have a means of accessible isolation.So that's why i disagree.

 

[buzzlightyear]

All appliances need a means of isolation that is accessible without removing the appliance.It makes no difference if the oven is powered by electric,gas or pixie dust,you still have to have a means of accessible isolation.So that's why i disagree

now you got him on the ropes .the fishing rods got a hook on it !

 

[Deleted member 26818]

All appliances need a means of isolation that is accessible without removing the appliance.It makes no difference if the oven is powered by electric,gas or pixie dust,you still have to have a means of accessible isolation.So that's why i disagree.

I don’t suppose you could provide a Regulation to back this belief?

 

[Ian1981]

Good working practice, manufacturers may state double pole isolation is required but I’m not sure the regulations state it’s required but then,why would they as it’s quite specific?
I don’t think you can code the lack of isolation Via a separate switch f/s or the like.

 

[Octopus]

This is one of the biggest issues in the regs, there is no practical definition of accessible ....

So is the plug behind the cooker an issue ?

 

[Ian1981]

It terms of Electrical safety then no as the circuit supplying the cooker should be able to be isolated by the circuit breaker.
A tad inconvenient if it’s not on its own circuit ( socket off a ring final etc) but if it can be isolated then it removes the danger if required.
Think we would all install a separate switch but in the terms of coming across a circuit without it then I’d ask myself if there’s any danger without one.
I may be incorrect it’s just my view

 

[Deleted member 26818]

My daughter switches appliances off.
She doesn’t switch off her fridge freezer or TVs, but she does switch off her gas cooker, microwave, washing machine, shower and kettle.
Bloody annoying if I want a cup of tea.
Not sure why she does this, as I never switch such things off and neither did her mother?
It’s her house she can do what she wants.

My experience is that the majority of people don’t bother routinely switching off appliances.
They only seem to get switched off for maintenance or replacement.
Yes it’s nice to offer the option of local isolation, but if the consumer has no intention of using the isolation, what’s the point?
The Regs don’t require it.
Some BCOs do, even though there’s no requirement in the Building Regs.

 

[Ian1981]

My daughter switches appliances off.
She doesn’t switch off her fridge freezer or TVs, but she does switch off her gas cooker, microwave, washing machine, shower and kettle.
Bloody annoying if I want a cup of tea.
Not sure why she does this, as I never switch such things off and neither did her mother?
It’s her house she can do what she wants.

My experience is that the majority of people don’t bother routinely switching off appliances.
They only seem to get switched off for maintenance or replacement.
Yes it’s nice to offer the option of local isolation, but if the consumer has no intention of using the isolation, what’s the point?
The Regs don’t require it.
Some BCOs do, even though there’s no requirement in the Building Regs.

A fair point

 

[Rpa07]

Not according to @Grant webber who has found an issue - unless he has fat finger syndrome!

A fair point

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Seems someone has found an issue with all 44 of Grant’s posts.

 

[Grant webber]

My daughter switches appliances off.
She doesn’t switch off her fridge freezer or TVs, but she does switch off her gas cooker, microwave, washing machine, shower and kettle.
Bloody annoying if I want a cup of tea.
Not sure why she does this, as I never switch such things off and neither did her mother?
It’s her house she can do what she wants.

My experience is that the majority of people don’t bother routinely switching off appliances.
They only seem to get switched off for maintenance or replacement.
Yes it’s nice to offer the option of local isolation, but if the consumer has no intention of using the isolation, what’s the point?
The Regs don’t require it.
Some BCOs do, even though there’s no requirement in the Building Regs.

Did you actually just go through every post I've made and rate it dumb. Because I accidently pressed dumb on your post while scrolling down the thread. You strange character. Must be a boring Sunday for you

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Did you actually just go through every post I've made and rate it dumb. Because I accidently pressed dumb on your post while scrolling down the thread. You strange character. Must be a boring Sunday for you

Yes to both.