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  1. eddie current
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    eddie current Guest

    hi guys
    im new here so please be gentle with me...lol
    i have just started a new job in a factory, maintenance spark.
    a few years ago the company had a PIR carried out and guess what, its my job to sort out all the faults,,,,,,,, happy days... not
    my question is
    they have been given a code 2 for the neutrals not being identified in the db baords.
    they are identified, well they are all black and in a neutral bar...
    any advice please guys on the easiest way around this, its very hard for me to turn the power off to these circuits as we run 24 / 7
     
  2. Electricalserv
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    Are the neutrals numbered correctly?

    Regarding turning equipment off, you need to sort out a schedule with the boss. If he wants the faults sorted he needs to comprimise....Aske him to do one fault per day. Give him an estimate on how long that fault is going to take to rectify, theres not much else you can do in this situation.
     
  3. Guest123
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    Out of hours working......bit of extra cash for you maybe.....

    I dont think a code 2 is correct in this case TBH.

    A code 2 warrants an unsatisfactory verdict on a PIR, can anyone honestly say that a neutral conductor out of sequence really warrants that. For me, no.
     
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  4. morph
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    out of sequence? uhm i would ask for the reg number , then you wont need to do anything
     
  5. malcolmsanford
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    malcolmsanford Trusted Advisor

    314.1 (ii) would be one
     
  6. Chr!s
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    Chr!s Electrician's Arms

    Although identified by color, can you identify the circuits to which they belong?

    Sounds like a code 4 to me

    If your after a Reg id look at 514.1.2.
     
  7. IQ Electrical
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    Yes, always a code 4 for me too but if, in the inspector's opinion, the non-sequential neutrals posed a danger in that particular installation then you're stuck with a code 2.
     
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  8. Guest123
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    4, was my thought also.
     
  9. eddie current
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    they didnt really state incorrect sequence, just incorrectly marked, they were wired to the 16th edition and marked in black, i think this guy expects blue tape on all the neutrals however this would make all the L3 live blues very dangerous in my opinion
     
  10. IQ Electrical
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    IQ Electrical Trusted Advisor

    How ridiculous, apply a '2 colours' sticker and the job's done!
     
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  11. Chr!s
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    Chr!s Electrician's Arms

    Well what would the risk be in the installation in its present state and what potential risks may develop from the non compliance with 514.1.2.

    I think the risk posed would be down to the competence of the person carrying out work.
     
  12. malcolmsanford
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    You could always stick an alphanumeric indicator of "N' to them, I personally would not tape them blue for the reason you cited.
     
  13. telectrix
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    i think it would be bloody dangerous to sleeve them blue. the installation was wired in the proper colours, and to interfere with this would cause confusion and possible danger of electrocution. do they want all the other original colours sleeved? aboslute madness IMO.
     
  14. mogga
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    its a 16th edition installation NO BLUE Sleeving required Mixed Wire sticker on dbs If the neutrals don't correspond 1.1 2.2 ect then IMO its a code 4 and a lable on db stating non sequential neutrals
     
  15. telectrix
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    or 15 minutes swapping the conductors into the correct terminal numbers.
     
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