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  1. Kev3440
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    Hi. I'm a currently selling my home, a Victorian Terrace house from the early 1900's.

    The buyers have just had a survey completed which has highlighted a plug socket mounted on wooden skirting as a fire hazard.

    We have been living here since 2013 and have had no issues, this was installed before our purchase of the house. I am keen to understand the regs and my options.

    It is a double socket mounted on a plastic back box. It is not so close to the floor that the flex from a plug is severely bent.

    I would be really grateful for some advice. I believe it's only because this is a '3' on the homebuyers survey. Can someone tell me when the regs came in and if they relate to installations prior.

    Thanks all.
     
  2. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    It's not a C3 as there is no regulation preventing sockets being installed as such.
     
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  3. ruston
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    Did he put a regulation number in the report?
    Many sockets even to the current regs are fitted in kitchen units . Many houses have sockets mounted on combustable surfaces.
    In my opinion they have been over zealous.
     
  4. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    it could be regarded as a C3 as "improvement recommended", but giving it any code is a bit OTT. as long as the flex is not bent to the point of potential damage, nowt wrong with it. you could ask the surveyor to quote a BS7671 regulation that warrants a code. bet he can't.
     
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  5. LankyWill
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    Sounds like the eicr bloke was being pedantic, ask for clarification on the issue and see what crap they come out with.
     
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  6. Kev3440
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    Thanks. When I referred to a '3' I meant on the homebuyers survey. What part of the current regs relate to sockets?? The survey says they are a fire risk? Does the fact that they are mounted on a plastic back box help or reduce the risk??
     
  7. Kev3440
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    It was the surveyor and not anyone qualified in electrical installation.
     
  8. telectrix
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    it's not a fire risk any more than a consumer unit mounted on a wood board. surveyor is an arse.
     
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  9. ruston
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    You need to challenge it and get clarity and regulation numbers to back it up .
    He will in all likelihood have no electrical training.
     
  10. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Any electrical system poses a fire risk.
     
  11. ruston
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    Or in a log cabin ...
     
  12. Kev3440
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    Thanks guys for your help so far. Can anyone point me in the direction of the current regs??
     
  13. ruston
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    It is him that needs to prove that it is wrong , it is his report.
     
  14. Murdoch
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    ONLY a Electrical Installation Condition Report can accurately comment on such matters - did they have one?

    If its been highlighted by a "general" surveyor I would be very surprised.
     
  15. Kev3440
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    The buyers are querying it and want it rectified.....?
     
  16. Murdoch
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    Can you ask your buyers for a copy of the report or at best which BS 7671 regulation it refers to?
     
  17. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Where are you based someone on here may provide a professional second opinion.
     
  18. Kev3440
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    Norwich
     
  19. Flanders
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    I would ask your solicitors to question tbe report and ask for some documentation to back up his finding , a c3 for an electrical report meens that an improvement can be made but the installation is in a satisfactory condition , i have no clue what a 3 meens in his report , but as others have said there is no electrical regulation that says that you can not mount a socket on a wooden skirting .
     
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  20. Ian1981
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    I guess mounting an electric meter and cut out in a meter cabinet is also a fire hazard
     
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  21. ruston
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    Or any wooden batten to be honest . It is a common practice.
     
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  22. Paul228
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    You could simply ask the guy who carried out the survey if he's qualified to comment on electrical matters or is it just his opinion.
    As the guys have said, he's probably talking out of his area$e.
    Ask him why he thinks it's a fire hazard, ask him to quote specific regs to back up his claim.
    Ask him how electricians put electrics in timber framed properties or these nice fancy log cabin holiday homes.
    The guy wins my Richard Cranium award.
     
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  23. Flanders
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    Yes i wounder how the surveyor get on with wooden framed house ?

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    Paul beat me to it
     
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  24. Kev3440
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    A '3' on a homebuyers report is "defects that are serious and/or need to be repaired, replaced or investigated urgently".

    The buyers solicitors have said....."There is a plug socket which has been attached to the wooden skirting board. This is against regulations and a fire risk. Please arrange for this to be corrected."
     
  25. ruston
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    Well there you have it when they cannot prove it you are on a winner.
     
  26. ruston
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    Ask the solicitor how they put sockets in wooden sheds.
     
  27. westward10
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    Ask for Regulation references and if they can't provide this the Report should be ammended.
     
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  28. Murdoch
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    Maybe swap the existing socket for a metal clad unit...... that'll contain the risk
     
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  29. Kev3440
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    Is it worth getting an electrician round to test them and say they are safe??
     
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  30. ruston
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    No, let them prove that it is wrong.

    We are all telling you it is not. Unless it is defective in some way that you have not mentioned.
     
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  31. Resu
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    Haha there are houses the length of the country with sockets in the skirting, "v" lining, even kitchen splashback!
     
  32. Paul228
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    Kev.
    Print the thread off and go speak to their solicitor, and accuse him of gross negligence.
    He's quoting form a point of little or no knowledge which has a material affect on the sale of your property.
    Go for the jugular
     
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  33. Kev3440
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    So is BS7671 the current regs??
     
  34. telectrix
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    yes.....
     
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  35. ruston
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    Yes.
     
  36. Resu
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    To be fair lads there is a chance that the socket has been screwed to the skirting and there is no backbox, just a hole. Have seen it before.
     
  37. telectrix
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    tell the solicitor it's fixed there to minimise volt drop. :p
     
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  38. Leesparkykent
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    The opening post says it's mounted on a plastic back box.
     
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  39. Paul228
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    Paul228 There is no spoon

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    Kev
    Can you post a pic of the offending so ket, just to make sure we are 100%…
    It might be half inch off the floor.
     
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  40. Kev3440
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    Does anyone have a link to BS7671?

    Thanks for your help so far...
     
  41. davesparks
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    Ask them to specify the regulation to which they are referring, every regulation has its own unique number.
    The current wiring regulations are BS7671:2008 with amendment 3 of 2015.

    What they have identified is no 'against regulations' nor does it present any increased fire risk compared to any other socket outlet.
     
  42. Resu
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    Fair enough, joined the party late and skimmed the OP!

    No issue then in my book.
     
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  43. Leesparkykent
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    You have to buy a copy mate for around 70 sheets.
     
  44. ruston
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    No links to the regs £80 ish from Amazon and other book sellers.

    Let them prove it to you . They will not be able to.
     
  45. Murdoch
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    Unfortunately not. The current edition is amendment 3 (yellow cover) and the IET take a dim view of people handing out free copies (its about £80)
     
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