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  1. happyhippydad
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    Today I was in a customers house. I had to take up some chipboard flooring in the bathroom. I set the circular saw so that it will cut to the right depth and not too deep.... I think some of you have already guessed where this is going :D .... and start cutting.

    Now in the five years I have been working as a domestic installer I have never had an accident because I plan, I'm slow because I plan, but that's ok because I don't have accidents.... until today.

    Anyway, I start cutting and suddenly water starts spurting up into my face, it's a hot day but I fail to enjoy the cool water covering my head. I panic, there's no way to get to the pipe as the boards are down. I nearly always work alone, but for some reason this time a plumber was working in the house at the same time. He was actually in the bathroom with me at the time! He sprung into action, fitted some pipe to a downstairs radiator to drain it, during which time I'd got the boards up (looking horrified at the lake of water) and stuck my thumb on the tiny hole.

    I absolutely sxxx myself!!!

    The outcome was a small amount of water coming through the ceiling which dried and that was about it. The client was cool about it and the plumber fixed the pipe refusing any kind of payment. If he hadn't have been there I could have been in a whole heap of trouble and my PL insurance would have had its first outing!

    So.... I'm ready for abuse but I stand by my claim, plumbers are great! :D
     
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  2. westward10
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    Sounds like a top man HT that is what it is all about.
     
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    buzzlightyear Electrician's Arms

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    it could have cost you a pretty penny .if it was like Niagara falls .and you had not had p/l insurance .
     
  4. Bob Geldoff1234
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    It might be your first pipe burst but it won't be your last.No matter how hard you plan ahead there are always days when the sh*t hits the fan.:(
     
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    The plumber who was there was great but the plumber who fitted the pipes so close to the floorboards was not so great!
     
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  6. SWD
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    SWD Gender neutral Electrician's Arms

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    Its always about how you deal with the issue/problem.
     
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  7. buzzlightyear
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    is the plumber still working on the job!
     
  8. SWD
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    He's trying to get to the bottom of the leak,

     
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  9. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    I have never taken a pipe out, need to touch wood now. Did I just say that :D
     
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    what this for a plumber!
     
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    The only one I've been through was a main, stopcock was jammed solid. Got some grips on it and snapped the ******* off. By now the ceiling was starting to bulge so I cut a hole to let the water out flooding the kitchen floor. On my own and pre mobile days I was at a loss what to do. Came very close to just getting in the van and driving away. In the end I found a hose pipe in the garage....cut the main just above the stopcock, jammed the hose over the end of the pipe and let it run outside. Whole of the ground floor was flooded by then.
    Worst afternoon of my life.
    On the plus side I learnt never use a jigsaw to take up a board.
     
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  12. Andy78
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    Sounds like a good fella. We've all made muck ups so we all know when someone needs pulling out of the mire. Glad it went well for you.
    I drilled a pipe last year and ended up losing all the money on the (small) job and ended up about £175 out of pocket.
     
  13. SWD
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    I was always taught to lift the board up slightly with a couple of bolsters before cutting it.
     
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  14. Midwest
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    I had a similar occurrence a few years ago. Chipboard floor, unmarked central heating pipe, circular saw followed by water spout. Don't like to talk about.:oops::oops::oops:

    Luckily for me, the plumber was my son, who was around in a shot, but not before some damage had been done to the ceiling and furnishings below. Customer, who was understandably ****ed off, become a right pain during the resulting insurance claim.

    In my defence, the original plumber had bashed the 15mm pipe flat, so he could fit between the bottom of the chipboard and the top of the RSJ, instead of running in through the whole cut hole in the RSJ. Well that's my poor excuses.

    Since this sorry episode, I've purchased a inspection camera and some of Kibosh Emergency Pipe Repair Clamp 15mm - https://www.lbsbmonline.co.uk/kibosh-emergency-pipe-repair-clamp-15mm?gclid=CjwKCAjwzMbLBRBzEiwAfFz4gVHgztzB6bOXjrlWf4XcXfNOYRTLVCvokWbxeWQeqxv8hdQeF5q4RBoCFekQAvD_BwE which I used the other month, when the carpenter hit a pipe :p.

    Its all come flooding back now :). I hate chipboard flooring, bring back tongue & grove.
     
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  15. Midwest
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    Don't know what board your on about, but the chipboard I've ever removed, requires two sizable cuts before you can 'lift' it.
     
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    You were very lucky on this occasion! It is very daunting when you are faced with this problem, I think most of us have been there at one time or another. I know how scary and embarrassing it can be.

    Knowing where the water and gas stop cocks are is essential when working on properties. (obviously you should find this out whilst checking the Main earth bonding's)

    It could be an idea to get some basic plumbing training? Basic understanding of heating and plumbing systems can be advantageous in these situations. Also if you can learn to do basic pipe work you would be able to fix most leaks yourself. Not only giving you confidence but also possibly saving you big costs.
     
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    like them kibosh. good idea to have a couple on the van..
     
  19. Midwest
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    Yep I felt very smug when the chippy cut the pipe, water peeing everywhere. I just calmly got me Kibosh out me van, and saved the situation :cool:

    PS; you need some big muscles to close em.
     
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    i'd better get on the weights then. muscles are showing signs of 70 years of disuse. :(
     
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    me to, what a good idea.
     
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    or a pair of these beauties:

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  23. SWD
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    Floor board......
     
  24. SWD
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    Damn that reminds me as I need to restore my Fathers 18" Record monkey wrench must be over 50 years old now.
     
  25. Midwest
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    I just gave em to the chippy, he seemed to have gained super human strength at the time :)
     
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  26. telectrix
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    WD40, wire brush, a good oiling after. job's a good 'un. i recently done a 80 year old stilson, was my dad's.
     
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  27. Midwest
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    Chipboard..........in OP's case :)
     
  28. SWD
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    SWD Gender neutral Electrician's Arms

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    My mistake, always cut 1mm less or so then go through carefully with a pad saw.
     
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  29. telectrix
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    better still, with weetabix flooring, mark what you need to be cut out and tell client to get it done (either himself, or pay a wood butcher).
     
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    Best way to access boarded floors. No guarantee against pipes although I've not hit one yet with this tool
     
  31. happyhippydad
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    happyhippydad Member Electrician's Arms

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    Did that Kibosh thing really do the job Midwest? It looks perfect for what just happened to me! Does it just clip down over the pipe?

    I think some basic plumbing is a very good idea DM. I do always look to see where the stop cock is but as the plumber told me in this case that would not have helped a great deal as it was a pipe on the heating circuit so all the water would have still drained out of all the radiators through my little hole! Hence a little water knowledge being a good idea :)
     
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    Did that Kibosh thing really do the job Midwest? It looks perfect for what just happened to me! Does it just clip down over the pipe?

    I think some basic plumbing is a very good idea DM. I do always look to see where the stop cock is but as the plumber told me in this case that would not have helped a great deal as it was a pipe on the heating circuit so all the water would have still drained out of all the radiators through my little hole! Hence a little water knowledge being a good idea :)
     
  33. telectrix
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    being as how plumbers are mainly using plastic, i don't see why they shouldn't drill joists >2" deep and thread pipe through.
     
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  34. Midwest
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    Yep, it does what it suggests, even if it is a bitch to clamp, get a 22mm as well, you never know!
     
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    Did that Kibosh thing really do the job Midwest? It looks perfect for what just happened tome! Does it just clip down over the pipe?

    watch the video. looks a piece of cake.
     
  36. Midwest
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    In the corner, top of the stairs, gas pipe (I later marked the existence of), luckily I was rather gentle drilling through :eek:
     
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    I'm going to get one of those Kibosh! There are 2 sizes 15mm and 22mm. Does anyone know the most common size of pipe? Although I'll probably get both anyway!
     
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    :openmouth:
    got lucky there
     
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  39. Midwest
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    15mm & 22mm, and if your really unlucky 28mm :)
     
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  40. Andy78
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    The common sizes of pipe are 15mm and 22mm :grin:
     
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    If it's a sealed heating system there will be a safety pressure relief valve on the system, these can be manually operated to rapidly discharge the pressure from the system to outside. Once the pressure has gone from the pipework water should stop coming out of the hole (assuming there is only one hole) as way for air to get in to the system to replace the water which flows out.

    If it's not a sealed system then you would need to block the feed and vent pipes at the header tank to stop air from entering the pipework and again it will stop the leak.
     
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  42. telectrix
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    gas pipes aren't so bad. no water spurting everywhere, and it's generally no problem to cut the gas off at the meter, then an easy repair. to be sure though, i'd have a gas safe guy do a pressure test.
     
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    I was clipping a bit of T&E along a wall below a desk in a room which had previously been a bathroom, one of the clips popped out of the wall and was followed by a jet of water!
    It turned out that there was an unused old lead water main in the wall which had just had the open end flattened and plastered in.
     
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  44. Midwest
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    You naughty boy, no one 'cept a gas safe should be messing around with gas pipes :rolleyes:
     
  45. happyhippydad
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    happyhippydad Member Electrician's Arms

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    2 x Kibosh's ordered! Bring it on water pipes!! I'm prepared for you :mad:.

    Bish, bash, Kibosh!!!!
     
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