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  1. Gavin John Hyde
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    Been on a job today and debating what to put on the certificate.

    The DNO in early 2013 upgraded the supply and installed PME. The previous setup had an earth rod installed. This is still connected to the main earth terminal. Not sure what type the previous set up was as the customer is none the wiser, As the upgrade was done just before she bought the house.all she cared about was that things come on and turn off when required.

    I am only filling in a minor works certificate as it only involved extending a radial.

    In terms of earthing arrangement would you all agree i have been okay to record it as PME with a supplementary TT rod. making a note in the comments box mentioning there is a rod aswell? Guess it will be 18th edition compliant before its time!

    I have so far filled it in as a PME system and am wondering if in addition to recording the Ze of 0.29 ohms i should record Ra aswell? I haven't measured it as of yet as i went with its a PME with supplementary rod.

    I have to go back Monday next week to change a light fitting, so can measure Ra if needed.

    It does raise the prospect of whether the certificate forms will be updated to reflect 18th edition if supplementary rods are going to be needed.

    Thoughts welcome as it is something I haven't dealt with or potentially noticed before as most of my experience is light commercial such as pubs.
     
  2. Ian1981
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    If it's been changed to pme then why bother with the earth rod?
    By definition from the DNO having Carried out works it's a TN-CS earthing arrangement
     
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    i'd just do as you suggest. record Ze and PME earthing , with a note saying there is a supplementary rod.
     
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  4. Wilko
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    Agree TNCS as its the dominant system, with a note.
     
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    or diss the rod and say nowt.
     
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  6. Gavin John Hyde
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    Did think of that, but given the way people get slaughtered if something goes wrong this day and age, i figured its best to play it by the rules and not conceal things. ALso given the potential changes regarding supplementary rods in the 18th ed its worth thinking about now.
     
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    I imagine the younger people reading would see @telectrixs' comment "Diss the rod" as
    That is a crap rod and looks bad innit, nowadays:cool:
     
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  8. telectrix
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    i know me and pete are both old coffin dodgers, but surely you can tell us apart. i'm the good looking one. :p:p:p
     
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  9. Vortigern
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    Doh! You knew who I meant though:p
    EDIT: Don't know what you mean, maybe new glasses?
     
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  10. Risteard
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    It's TN-C-S. The fact it also has an Earth rod is irrelevant (in fact, it is a very good thing). No need to worry about Ra of the rod.

    Most of the rest of the world requires Earth electrodes on TN-C-S installations - it's about time JPEL/64 caught up.
     
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  11. Gavin John Hyde
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    JPEL/64 ????
    Whats that when its translated in to English?
     
  12. Ian1981
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    It's the commitee that decide what regulations we should all now follow ie sticking in an earth electrode on TN systems
     
  13. westward10
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    Look in the front of BS7671 you will see the listings for the brains trust.
     
  14. Ian1981
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    Basically they put a list of new regulations into a hat, give it a shuffle and each member picks out a regulation and they have a good chuckle over it!
    Let the b*stards (that's us)figure this one out mhaaaaahhhaaa
     
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  15. Gavin John Hyde
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    Ah okay, didnt get that on the find the correct answer test/ wordsearch for grown ups that is the 17th ed.

    It sounds like the same method american psychiatrists use when they update the DSM book of mental disorders. basically a shrink proposes a new condition based on what he has seen in patients or hospital. if enough other shrinks agree and put there hands up it ends up the big book and people can be labelled as having the said new condition. absolutely bonkers... and that's just the shrinks.
     
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    Careful now some forum members maybe offended by that :tired:
     
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    How old is this thread?
    Don't you all know the proposals put forward for next year 's edition of BS7671?
     
  18. Ian1981
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    Na their doing amendment 1 to the 18th now
    Out 2020
     
  19. Wilko
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    I'm trying to think of something funny to say about all the new books etc I'll have to buy, but I'm at a loss. Where's @buzzlightyear@buzzlightyear when we need him ?
     
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    QUOTE="Gavin John Hyde, post: 1290550, member: 101583"]JPEL/64 ????
    Whats that when its translated in to English?[/QUOTE]
    probably a earth planted potato or could be IEE joint chiefs of staffs
     
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    yeah like the beano or dandy !
     
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    We were a proud nation of Engineers ,
    (I'll blame global warming making us all equal)
     
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    is that boiling the kettle at the same time!
     
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  24. Murdoch
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    Why can't they simply defer the 18th until 2020 ?

    Save us all a lot of money....
     
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  25. static zap
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    Need to keep the printing industry alive , more regulations , Brexit red tape ..!
     
  26. buzzlightyear
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    yeah ,that's the Chinese has well.
    they like coping regs has well .
     
  27. David M
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    Sorry I had to disagree, all old people blend into the same look :p:D
    I often see my old man knocking about, only to find its some other old geezer who looks like him:D:D
     
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    Too many mirrors David.

    This reminds me of a house I moved in to in 1975 built in 1936. After a few years I decided to check the earth out as I noticed we had 2 overhead wires + and -. There was no earth system at all so I
    Bought an earth rod and wired it to the fuse box accordingly.
    Then the MEB came and wired the earth to neutral WTF. If that had never been brought in would they allow that now?
    I think they also used to use a 12" square galvanized plate buried in the ground. I've just dug one up here, house built in 1934.
     
  29. frank rabbets
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    Too many mirrors David.

    This reminds me of a house I moved in to in 1975 built in 1936. After a few years I decided to check the earth out as I noticed we had 2 overhead wires + and -. There was no earth system at all so I
    Bought an earth rod and wired it to the fuse box accordingly.
    Then the MEB came and wired the earth to neutral WTF. If that had never been brought in would they allow that now?
    I think they also used to use a 12" square galvanized plate buried in the ground. I've just dug one up here, house built in 1934.
     
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    Too many mirrors David.

    This reminds me of a house I moved in to in 1975 built in 1936. After a few years I decided to check the earth out as I noticed we had 2 overhead wires + and -. There was no earth system at all so I
    Bought an earth rod and wired it to the fuse box accordingly.
    Then the MEB came and wired the earth to neutral WTF. If that had never been brought in would they allow that now?
    I think they also used to use a 12" square galvanized plate buried in the ground. I've just dug one up here, house built in 1934.
     
  31. frank rabbets
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    Too many mirrors David.

    This reminds me of a house I moved in to in 1975 built in 1936. After a few years I decided to check the earth out as I noticed we had 2 overhead wires + and -. There was no earth system at all so I
    Bought an earth rod and wired it to the fuse box accordingly.
    Then the MEB came and wired the earth to neutral WTF. If that had never been brought in would they allow that now?
    I think they also used to use a 12" square galvanized plate buried in the ground. I've just dug one up here, house built in 1934.
     
  32. telectrix
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    and this week's prize for the most duplicate posts goes to..................................................................................................................................................................................................

    the rabbit.
     
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  33. frank rabbets
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    Only pressed "post reply" once !!
     
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    This seems to be happening a lot.
     
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  35. Midwest
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    How hard though :hammer:
     
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  36. DPG
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    So was that 4 earth rods?
     
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