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  1. Gigsy
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    Has anyone ever encountered a fault with a RCD which causes a potential on earth in respect to neutral?



    I am a trainee electrician, working with an experienced electrician. We encountered a fault today, earth had a potential of 238V in respect to Neutral and a 0 V potential in respect to line.



    We did an insulation resistance test at 500V on all circuits from line to neutral, line to earth and neutral to earth. All circuits gave a resistance of >999M ohm. So there is no way line and earth can be crossed anywhere.



    The fault didn't trip the RCD or the MCB, yet there was a potential difference between neutral and earth.



    We got really strange voltage readings while probing around, differences between earth and neutral ranging from 100v to over 300v, how can this be as nominal voltage was 238V.



    The potential difference between neutral and earth was greater when the RCD was in the closed position.



    All I can possibly think of is the somehow the line windings around the iron core in the RCD have made contact with the Neutral windings. Could a fault like this possibly create a voltage on Neutral, and cos it is a TN-C-S system, Neutral is connected to earth at the incoming supply, so is it possible this voltage could be seen on the earth bar in the consumer unit?
     
  2. Barry White
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    Line and neutral reversed ?
     
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  3. PEG
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    Hi dude,no guess would be possible,without knowing where you were measuring this voltage,and what position all the various switches/breakers,etc were in.

    Start from a position upstream,where all measurements are as expected,or if not,somebody has a bigger problem :)
     
  4. Gigsy
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    Gigsy Regular EF Member

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    I just would like to know if anyone thinks it is remotely possible a fault inside the RCD could cause this issue?
     
  5. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    You've posted this on another forum.

    Why didn't you test Ze?
     
  6. HandySparks
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    I don't think it's even remotely possible.
     
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  7. Gigsy
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    Gigsy Regular EF Member

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    Yes I got a temp ban on this forum, so I joined another one. You use two forums too, else how would you know?

    We didnt suspect the issue to be with the distributor.
     
  8. Gigsy
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    Gigsy Regular EF Member

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    Line and Neutral reversed coming into the distribution board?

    That could make allot of sense. We didn't do a live polarity test thinking about it.
     
  9. dmxtothemax
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    it's more than likely a ghost voltage !
     
  10. Rob
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    Sounds like a floating neutral to me.

    With the earth connected to the DNO's incoming earth, what resistance are you getting between N > E
     
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  11. Murdoch
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    I'm gob smacked that 2 sparks and 1 trainee didn't check the incoming supply...... all sounds a bit smelly IMHO
     
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  12. Gigsy
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    Gigsy Regular EF Member

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    > 999 on 500v
     
  13. Gigsy
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    Gigsy Regular EF Member

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    >999 on 500V
     
  14. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    So Gigsy..... are you going to update this forum with your findings reported on the other forum?
     
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  15. Gigsy
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    Gigsy Regular EF Member

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    Is that necessary? I don't think anyone would be interested? Is it frowned upon to use two forums? If so why do you use more than on forum? Which forum do you like the best? Why are you making an issue with me using two forums?
     
  16. Gigsy
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    Gigsy Regular EF Member

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    Are you now my troll?
     
  17. GMES
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    GMES Chief Gorilla Staff Member Trusted Advisor

    People are free to use as many forums as they wish, All I would say is it's a bit like the first rule of the Fight Club.
    Everybody knows the first rule of the fight club Right!!!!
     
  18. stantheman
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    .......No scratching or biting??
     
  19. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    I think you're a bit of a pillock truth be told. No wonder you've already served a ban here, every post you've made has an air of arrogance about it. Go use the other forum, you serve no purpose here other than to annoy and irritate.
     
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  21. HandySparks
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    You could at least pop back and thank mykey for suggesting the answer to your problem. See post #2.
     
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  22. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Isn't this the chasing across ceilings fellow again, I thought he was off in the cooler for a while, is he back.
     
  23. GMES
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    GMES Chief Gorilla Staff Member Trusted Advisor

    Yeah mate he served his time so play nice:D
     
  24. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    All welcome to me.
     
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