Qualifications

[TJ Anderson]

Re: inspection and testing

Only last week , I came across a situation where I had to check up on building regs .

On a job at the moment rewiring a house , someone has installed a 6inch extractor fan in a kitchen , and a boiler flue was 650mm away from it on a horizontal level , I was aware that there needs to be a minimum distance , after looking in part F I managed to find the answer , that a minimum distance of 300mm applies as long as the fan has gravity shutters , now unless I wasn't aware of this or had an inkling of the requirements I would have carried on , I had to consider this as I am rewiring the house and that includes the supply to the fan..

My point exactly, you have made yourself aware of how your installation integrates with and complies to building regulations. Unfortunately many would not of and carried on regardless.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Re: inspection and testing

Then you know full well there is NO Requirement for an electrician to hold this non electrical qualification. All you need to do is read the bloody thing as and when required.

More fool the site agent/clerk of works, if he is allowing non compliance work being carried out, be it the electricians or plumbers...

I would have no problem if they made it compulsory. It is an issue than needs addressing for many.

 

[Engineer54]

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I didn't think there was a requirement for any electrician to have any set of qualifications. Which is a shame. What is a good solid set of qualifications for one man is no more than an electricians mate for another.

What are you talking about?? There have Always been a minimum requirement of qualifications to be an electrician. Only NOW are you being saddled with those calling themselves electricians but in reality wouldn't even come close to being an electricians mate!!

 

[Sparky 63]

Re: inspection and testing

’ll give you my input. You’ll definitely not like this as I’m telling the unadulterated truth.

By asking the question proves you’re NOT competent to carry out an EICR. Tony -Thanks for your bluntness it really not appreciated - to all the other guys particiularly Engineer 54 many thanks for your inputs - its greatly valued
Cheers

 

[Des 56]

Re: inspection and testing

I would have no problem if they made it compulsory. It is an issue than needs addressing for many.

Really?Where is the evidence for such a claim if I may ask?

What needs addressing is the avalanche of vested interests who pluck these needless and worthless "qualification requirements" out of thin air

These vested interest meanwhile conveniently undermine essential core electrician qualifications requirements that sets the standard that an electrician should gain alongside any necessary practical experience

 

[123]

Re: inspection and testing

Funny how nobody bats an eyelid when a herd of plumbers hack bloody great chunks out joists

Also amazing how I've never heard of a floor or ceiling falling down because of them!

 

[123]

Re: inspection and testing

OP what is your HNC in? My wife has and HND and a Phd, I could download Part P and then she could have that as well. Her electrical knowledge isn't great, however.

 

[ipf]

Re: inspection and testing

Also amazing how I've never heard of a floor or ceiling falling down because of them!

I have.....some foreigners in a factory office unit chopped a piece of joist out to fit a downlighter.......then did it again about 5ft away.
A few years later someone stood on the piece between......not me, by the way.

 

[Pete999]

Re: inspection and testing

OP what is your HNC in? My wife has and HND and a Phd, I could download Part P and then she could have that as well. Her electrical knowledge isn't great, however.

I got a DCM once

 

[Sparky 63]

Re: inspection and testing

Whats a dcm mate

 

[Andy78]

Re: inspection and testing

I got a DCM once

Was it a result of a FIFO situation ?

 

[Sparky 63]

Re: inspection and testing

YOU COULD DOWNLOAD pART P - BUT COULD YOU DOWNLOAD A PASS FOR 2391 ELECTRICAL TESTING & INSPECTION I THINK NOT MATE

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Re: inspection and testing

Lol.
To be honest, it's these types of threads which keep me from bothering with taking the 2391.
Perhaps if there were a qualification for people who instruct those with the 2391, then I might consider it?

 

[Pete999]

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Whats a dcm mate

Don't Come Monday

 

[GB.Kayak]

Re: inspection and testing

Don't Come Monday

An old favourite of my dad's is "award yourself a 'CDM'" ... Cadbury's Dairy Milk!

 

[GB.Kayak]

Re: inspection and testing

Then you know full well there is NO Requirement for an electrician to hold this non electrical qualification. All you need to do is read the bloody thing as and when required.

More fool the site agent/clerk of works, if he is allowing non compliance work being carried out, be it the electricians or plumbers...

I agree that this qualification is not required by all electricians ... but that does not mean that 'there is NO Requirement for an electrician to hold this non electrical qualification'. Many electricians work where there is no site agent or clerk of works; what then? Surely that is why the LABC exists in the domestic sector. In these situations, some of which are not 'notifiable', it is down to the professionalism or otherwise of the tradesman to comply with the regulations just as much as it is to do with good electrical design or safe isolation! The negative impact of poor workmanship on the structural or fire integrity, let alone other more 'esoteric' requirements for the health of a building or its occupants can often have as serious if not immediate effect. A professional Tradesperson would do as you say ... but only if they are trained to do so! For some tradesmen this qualification is the route to the required knowledge and the proof that they at least have an awareness of the requirements. The last 'piece of the jigsaw' is still their professionalism or otherwise.

In my experience as owner and tenant of a number of properties the lack of knowledge or skill possessed by many tradespeople in this area has as serious an impact on the health and well being of building and occupant as their competence in their 'professed' trade. Either that, or 'slap dash' workmanship applies.

 

[ian.settle1]

Re: inspection and testing

YOU COULD DOWNLOAD pART P - BUT COULD YOU DOWNLOAD A PASS FOR 2391 ELECTRICAL TESTING & INSPECTION I THINK NOT MATE

If you know the right places to go

 

[TJ Anderson]

Re: inspection and testing

Exactly. Many main contractors won't let us work without asbestos awareness. So without this 'non-electrical' certificate we cannot practise our work as electricians on their sites.

Also these Certs are about showing someone (site manager) who has no electrical knowledge that we have been taught to a certain level and are 'competent'. I am still of the opinion that my Certs are worth something. I am fully aware that this is only my opinion. But no one can take that away from me.

Absolutely. Engineer 54 is in China so British Building Regs is not really his thing. lol

 

[Deleted member 26818]

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At the particular site I am working at, to my knowledge two people with supposed electrical knowledge/experience have been allowed to work on site, despite being unable to produce a JIB/ECS card.
One was a Mate, the other a supposedly qualified Electrician.
Both only had basic CSCS cards.

 

[Anthony S]

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Exactly. Many main contractors won't let us work without asbestos awareness. So without this 'non-electrical' certificate we cannot practise our work as electricians on their sites.

Asbestos Awareness course can be passed on-line that hardly shows your competent to know when you have come across some.

Understanding the Building Regulations is hardly rocket science and passing an open book exam hardly proves your competent.