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  1. rolyberkin
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    rolyberkin Electrician's Arms

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    Done some work recently on a local new build estate (Countryside Homes), the standard of electrical work is dire (mind you the build quality is shite also), is this normal on new builds?

    In the house I worked on today the consumer unit looked like spaghetti junction, there were two holes in the bottom of the consumer unit where the sparks had drilled holes and then decided to put the tails elsewhere and all the lighting circuits were on one RCD. The whole job looked like it had been done by Stevie Wonder whilst ****ed. To be frank my eight year old could have done a better job. I was shocked by the lack of pride shown by whoever had completed the work.
     
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  2. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    A lot of new builds on big housing estates are rubbish as the prices are screwed to the bare minimum. There's the odd exception though but most are lashed in so the sparks/team can earn a crust. The smaller jobs seem to be of better quality IMO. I do a lot of new builds and can assure you they are top notch.;)
     
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  3. mickfred
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    mickfred Regular EF Member

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    Waiting for the good old days gang to turn up , but some of the rubbish I've seen in 70s and 80s jobs haven't been that great (am in Liverpool so I'll blame telectrix ). Must admit old school busbar isolator etc is so much better
     
  4. astormatt
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    My best mate is "team leader" or whatever, he is currently on a new build site and he is on £120 a day with a 5 hour round trip to site.

    When i went quiet for a few weeks last year, he said i could do a couple of weeks with him but not to expect anywhere near his money.

    I politely declined and did half days locally for around the same money they were offering for a 13 hour day (including travelling)

    Unfortunately these big sites are driving down sparks and most others trades pay which is wrong, but i cant see a way of turning it around. There will always be people willing to work for peanuts.
     
  5. mickfred
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    that why i haven't started up myself ,don't like the job am in ,but it's easy and the money crap ,but don't have to fight to the bottom to earn the same or less (mud spreaders i know are earning a lot more than most sparks and they don't sign anything off so no paper trail for Mr taxman )
     
  6. dmxtothemax
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    dmxtothemax Regular EF Member

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    When many of us older tradies were trained up, the emphasis was on quality work.
    But now decades later, that is not so.
    now it is about efficency and speed
    quality seem less important
    houses are now built to a price
    if it has to be fixed again in 20 years, so be it
    new world !
     
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  7. cliffed
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    cliffed Regular EF Member

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    Agree,electrics are getting rougher & rougher.Seen 1 guy trying to sheath ring main down to a socket on 1st fix,it's shocking,no smoothing the cables out,& keeping them in line,then when fixed checking both can pull easily,he's just put sheathing on,twisted & tangled I walked away,never said a word,& never went back to that job.
     
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  8. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    What do you mean sheath ring main?
    Capping over the twin and earth cables?
     
  9. Pete999
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    Think he means cable covering on a new build, prior to plastering
     
  10. Pete999
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    In my experience, during my house bashing days there woul probably be 1 Qualified Spark and 2,3, either mates or Apprentices doing the wiring maybe 6 months experience, not bothered how they did the work, their only concern was Pay Day and where am I going to go on the pess tonight, no pride, and by all accounts nothing much has changed.
    I have seen youngsters with a mobile glued to their lugholes, far to busy yapping to their mates to take care of the trade that pays their wages.:mad::mad::rolleyes::rolleyes: Thats why new builds have some rough installs imo
     
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  11. Delboybully
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    Delboybully Electrician's Arms

    My favourite on any decent sized estate built since the 80s is fuse sizes in FCUs. The boiler and kitchen extractor is nearly always 13amp.
     
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  12. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    Just avoid new builds - there are better ways to earn a living and enjoy yourself...
     
  13. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    No...give me a new build over scratching around under someones floor or up in a loft packed full of insulation any day of the week.:)
     
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  14. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    I always used to reel off cable from drum albeit use of scaffold outside etc. in my days as Q.S. kept on seeing younger sparks spiral off drum ,circuits logical Inc.in C.U. all these small things add up (however what can you do when your boss don't support you)
     
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  15. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    Ok..... with caveat "unless you can agree the correct fees to do the job properly"

    One of my mates spends all his time on "mansions" for a quality builder - gets months of work and his approach is quality and "old school"!
     
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  16. cliffed
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    Yea sheathing,put over cables prior to plastering,don't no one use it now.
     
  17. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    Yes - I do.... especially when the plastering is float and set. Not using is is really poor...
     
  18. Pete999
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    Is that a question?
     
  19. KennyKen
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    KennyKen Electrician's Arms

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    I'm going to ruffle a few feathers and say it depends on industry also. Found a better calibre of sparky when predominantly working on industrial construction. I also found greater emphasis on doing it right first time. I would find it quite embarrassing another spark criticising someone else's work because it's shite. Although if the money's not there and the lads are getting roasted then... I don't know?
     
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  20. Des 56
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    I would expect most are capable of doing a good job to the best of their ability

    Its when the cost factors of production kicks in that pressures build on the firms, hence the individuals via low job prices and cut throat rates,it may force many to prioritise output over quality level

    This probably happens in bulk construction like major house builders,(self builds I would expect to see much higher standards than a building site with mass production)
    Where jobs are individually large,say for instance a hospital/factory/power plant etc the build quality can be better ensured
    Its economics that dictate much of the standards that prevail
     
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  21. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    you can't expect a house builder to pay for quality work at the expense of his yacht in the Med, villa in Spain, and his 3 20 something mistresses, can you?
     
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  22. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    Mechanical damage---protection of
     
  23. Ian1981
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    Ian1981 Electrician's Arms

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    Not much plastering goes out on nowadays it's all dot and dab walls.
    They tape them then sanded down.
    No plasterers in sight!
     
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  24. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    There must be more money floating about then! Give it to the Sparks and mates and get them to be able to do a better job on new builds and the industry won't feel let down! In my head that works!
     
  25. Vortigern
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    Vortigern Electrician's Arms

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    The only thing I came out with from new builds when correcting work already done, is...never buy a new build!
     
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  26. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    My wife wants a new build if we ever move - it's not going to happen. How can I move from a 113 year old Victorian made to last into a build that is only expected to last for between 10 and 30 years. It makes you realise that the wires will outlast the build. Ridiculous!
     
  27. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    I'll have to disagree in part I have been on some sites in the past where there have been a good camaraderie between trades from the site manager down and the workmanship has been of a high standard it is becoming rarer now I find especially the newly qualified ones are only in it for the money no intention in doing a good standard job get cable A to B forget cable zones
     
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  28. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    I guess I'm actually talking about the structure of the build rather than services.
     
  29. rolyberkin
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    rolyberkin Electrician's Arms

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    I like a new build, energy efficient, etc etc however these have been thrown up, a mate of mine works for the company that contracted the electrics so I text him yesterday to ask him whether they had Stevie Wonder on their books!:)
     
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  30. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    I don't know bricklayers were good cleaned cavities a lot of trades were old school pride in what they did still made a good crust as well
     
  31. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    You've cheered me up a little as long as I can be sure that this counts across the board otherwise I'm buying second hand!
     
  32. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    sorry does not seem any more I did post'' in the past''
     
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  33. HandySparks
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    Neish Electrical Services
    Usually known as capping.
     
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  34. KennyKen
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    KennyKen Electrician's Arms

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    Yeah my thoughts exactly
     
  35. cliffed
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    cliffed Regular EF Member

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    Bit of a old skooler,never called it capping,galv sheathing.
     
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  36. Anthony S
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    Anthony S Regular EF Member

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    Capping as never been known as sheathing.
     
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  37. cliffed
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    cliffed Regular EF Member

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    What's capping then
     
  38. Wilko
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    Wilko Electrician's Arms

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    Wilko Electrics
    It's just a name, but sheath goes around something and capping over the top. Pic from a national electrical supplier -

    View attachment 35949
     
  39. Pete999
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    Sheathing lol;)
     
  40. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    I've heard it called both, and the wholesalers always seemed to provide the same stuff. I've also heard it called channel, not the English one.

    So there!

    MCH37-GS3 Galvanised Steel Channel 38mm / 1½ Inch x 2m Length
    MCH37-GS3
    [​IMG]
     
  41. Des 56
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    I seem to remember always capping the cables with sheathing,or was it sheathed the cables with capping :(:)
     
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  42. Pete999
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    I'm going for a nap
     
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  43. cliffed
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    cliffed Regular EF Member

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    Beautiful cheers
     
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