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  1. -Matt
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    -Matt Regular EF Member

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    England
    I thought you guys may be interested in these pics from a "spark" who did one of these 4 week courses and went straight to self employed!

    This was for a house Re-wire, I actually quoted for this job originally but the house owner chose this contractor instead, but then contacted me afterwards to take a look as they were concerned by the work completed. :rolleyes:

    When I walked in and saw the work, I was truly shocked, it was truly dangerous!
    I contacted the Niceic for the homeowner who have now completely Re-wired the house with another contractor under the platinum guarantee.
    Original "Spark" is no longer registered, so its good to see the Niceic do take action!

    This was apparently a finished job which she has been paid in full for :eek:

    Anyway have fun with these :D:

    C/U was moved, so quite rightly a switch fuse was installed, not so sure on the insulation methods mind:
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    Urm...., oh and thats data going behind the C/U there...
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    Wet pants is always wrapping his pipes around my cables, I know I will wrap my spaghetti around his pipes..
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    Meter tails and more chased horizontally through wall, not in a safe zone..
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    Now what is that bare wire for, lets poke it back out of the box...
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    Expanding foam doesn't seem to be working at fixing the boxes..., oh and that damn bare wire again! and no grommet! o_O
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    Well the expanding foam wasn't working, lets just leave them hanging...
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    Its all too much work chopping the boxes into the wall..
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    Wago boxes are over-rated...
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    This surely has to be up there with the worst?
     
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  2. Pete999
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    Pete999 Forum Mentor

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    I have no words, well I do really but I enjoy this forum any comment would get me an immediate ban I shouldn't wonder, awful just awful.
     
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  3. darkwood
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    darkwood Super Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    They are having to take action now because it costs them money not to do so with the platinum guarantee, which tbh is the first I have heard about it.
     
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  4. JK-Electrical
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    JK-Electrical Electrician's Arms

    That is truly shocking and is as bad as any other rogue install that I've seen. If ever there was a vivid example of why these short courses should be outlawed, then this it. There is no quick route to becoming a qualified electrician.

    NICEIC ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. IMHO they are equally culpable for facilitating cowboy operators easy access to our industry. Disgraceful.
     
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  5. Pete999
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    Pete999 Forum Mentor

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    It could be DW that the NICEIC are finally realising what is actually happening out in the real world, so far removed from what they think is happening, I for one hope that many more of these supposed Electricians get outed and struck off the CS Schemes register, someone has to be first, wonder who it will be?
     
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  6. Gavin John Hyde
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    Gavin John Hyde Electrician's Arms

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    Somerset
    Business Name:
    Sulis Electrical Services Ltd
    WOW!
    No wonder they kicked him out the scheme, that is atrocious! quite how anybody can justify such damn poor work is beyond me!
    Its as if no effort was put in at all and simply didn't care, pure and simple cowboy fleecing people.
    Worrying thing is, he may have been ejected from Certsure but has he ended up at stroma or napit? might even still be doing rewires and works issuing generic certs and not notifying them.
    Personally i would encourage the customer to get building control involved and trading standards, given the NICEIC have had to fork out under the warranty to put right they would happily support taking action against this rogue.
    A rewire if planned well and time taken is not a hugely difficult task, its time consuming and messy and i think that is where people come unstuck, they under estimate the work involved and just want easy money. if that's the case stick to the quick simple jobs changing fittings and sockets at £50 a pop.
    I tend to stay away from rewires, simply because physically my body doesn't appreciate too much physical effort these days, have too many old injuries and issues. I also feel the perfectionist in me means I tend to go a bit slower than I used to. so wont rush it and nor will I enter the price war in the race to the bottom. Also in time it takes to do one, I can earn more for much less effort!
     
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  7. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    The bad install can be replaced, I would be a little bit more concerned about the damage caused to the structure of the property, in those switch drops etc?
     
  8. ChrisElectrical88
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    ChrisElectrical88 Forum Mentor

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    Whoever did his initial assesment should be questioned. That is truely awful.
     
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  9. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    @-Matt@-Matt has the owner thought about contacting the local rag/media about this thing. Might be an interesting story for them?
     
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  10. rompling
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    rompling Regular EF Member

    Proper bad install, your right one of the worst
    But funny how the customer always comes back to the more expensive electrician to rectify - have had it myself - maybe there is a reason it costs more and the customer need to start getting this
    This one and the one in Glasgow this week that I saw posted - makes me concerned for the future
     
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  11. gazdkw82
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    gazdkw82 Trainee Trainee Access

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    leicester
    These courses are putting people's lives at risk. You CANNOT! Be an independent, competent electrician in just a few weeks! No matter how good the training or how clever you are!

    I wouldn't let buzz aldren wire my house after a 5week course. No matter how good his results and how many John ward videos he watched.
     
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  12. happyhippydad
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    happyhippydad Member Electrician's Arms

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    How do you know it was someone who had done one of the Domestic Installer courses Matt?

    This next bit isn't aimed at all towards you Matt, just in general....

    I realise the above install is appalling but it would be nice if there was a bit of a balance between showing good work and bad work. I wonder why people like having a go at others so much, it's like the Jeremy Kyle of electrics sometimes!
     
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  13. Massive1
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    Massive1 Trainee Access

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    Not disputing the workmanship at all as its atrocious but was it defiantly a 4ww who done this work, I know they can become easy targets.

    I just cant imagine someone turning up to a re-wire a house and admitting they have 4 weeks of training and 3 of them was in the classroom.
     
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  14. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    Woking
    ALL the schemes need to introduce un announced site visits, on work in progress and completed notified works .....

    Unless this happens, nothing will change
     
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  15. ChrisElectrical88
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    ChrisElectrical88 Forum Mentor

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    Norwich
    Agree Murdoch, with a guarenteed random 5 visits over 12 months. Only need to be 20 minutes in most cases. The inspector could knock out 10 a day.
     
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