rcd protection- barber shop

[J.C.E]

afternoon guys

think i know answer to my question but wanted to double check

my barber (quite friendly with him so wanted to help him out!) asked me to do his barber shop eicr (only a small 6way c/u) anyways just had a brief look and its an old board with wylex push in reto 60898s- no rcd protection

the shop is ground level

would you guys c2 no rcd protection to socket outlets or with commerical is it different?

head says it just same as it would be for domestic so c2

 

[Devonchris]

On site guide. 3.6.2.

Omission of RCD Protection

In the following circumstances.

Non domestic premises, where a documented risk assessment determines that RCD Protection is not necessary.

 

[buzzlightyear]

http://www.cfecltd.co.uk/files/pdf/17_edition_factsheet_02.pdf
you need to read this. it will help you
I would put down no rcd protection c2

 

[Stspark]

C2? Making this once compliant barbers shop an unsatisfactory installation?
It's C3, providing satisfactory earth fault loop values and no sockets likely to be used with external equipment.

 

[J.C.E]

always though it was a c2 if on the ground floor and had a chance of an extention lead being taken outside etc

 

[buzzlightyear]

always though it was a c2 if on the ground floor and had a chance of an extention lead being taken outside etc

did you read the post 3#

 

[Stspark]

If a non rcd protected socket was right by an external door and likely to be used for outdoor equipment C2, otherwise C3 for the ground floor sockets. (Providing acceptable EFLI readings obtained)

 

[Stspark]

@buzz I believe the above document is irrelevant, the op is asking about an EICR not a new install.

Also the document is not current, its pre amendment 3.

 

[buzzlightyear]

he needs to read the information regs 411.3.3 regs 522.6.8 .
and non domestic installations( and it still stands weather yesterday or tomorrow). eicr or eic

 

[westward10]

No Codes today my Regs have blown away
The company will pay
Who took my Regs away.

 

[Octopus]

what a farce........................... How old is the installation?

That said a barbers shop, with plug in accessories and water ................. RCD would be a good idea............

 

[buzzlightyear]

Also the document is not current, its pre amendment 3.

it stills stands

 

[Stspark]

Think you need to have a read through the current regs mate. Skilled and instructed persons are a thing of the past.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Skilled and instructed persons a thing of the past.

forget skilled &instructed persons
read what it says post 3#.read between the lines .

 

[Stspark]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? You stated above you'd C2 sockets without RCD protection, which in general is incorrect for domestic or non-domestic.

 

[Ian1981]

Are they likely to be using Portable /mobile equipment outside?
Do any unprotected sockets give rise to danger?(external influences)
This would influence my choice of code

 

[buzzlightyear]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? You stated above you'd C2 sockets without RCD protection, which in general is incorrect for domestic or non-domestic

it is down to the test engineer what he thinks at the time .

 

[buzzlightyear]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? You stated above you'd C2 sockets without RCD protection, which in general is incorrect for domestic or non-domestic

it is down to the test engineer what he thinks at the time .

 

[westward10]

Tis not the socket which gives rise to danger but appliances using said sockets. Don't worry about the ifs and maybes the fact is they have no rcd protection and this is the statement of fact you use, Code it, move on.

 

[Ian1981]

Perhaps if it's sunny they cut hair outdoors with mounds of extension leads trailing about