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  1. steptoe84
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    HI,

    I'm renovating my house room by room and am turning what was the kitchen into a bedroom.

    Anyway, I've ran a new 2.5T&E cable from the consumer unit to the bedroom and want to know if this is an acceptable way to wire the room as it will make it much easier if this is allowed. Just not sure how many cables can be fed from the white circular 20A junction box. please see my attached sketch. Thanks!!

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  2. Pete999
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    Your best option steptoe84 would be to get a qualified Electrician in to do this work rather than the DIY bodge you're intending doing, what you intend will only end in tears, pound coins anf heartache.
     
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  3. Leesparkykent
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    No...6 cores in one terminal will not make a mechanically sound connection and that's if you can even get them to fit. Chances are you would also need a MF JB which the likes of hager you can only get 4 cores in to the connections.

    The way you propose to do it as a typical DIY approach. An electrician would not really consider such a method as it adds a pointless connection in to what would be probably the simplest type of circuit to wire.

    Also worth noting that it's new circuit so requires building control notification.

    Do you have an RCD? Are your earthing and bonding arrangements adequate?
     
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  4. Pete999
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    Hi Lee, don't think Mr Joe Public (no offence intended) realise the implications of DIY electrics, bung it it in if it works jobs a good un, lost count of the times I lost customers by telling them what they should have, the DIY stores have a lot to answer for with regards to safe electrical installations.
     
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  5. steptoe84
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    Thanks for the advice Pete. I want to do it properly hence asking on this forum. I'm happy running more cable if it make it safer and will conform to regs. A radial is ok though for a bedroom right? So can I literally daisy chain the sockets rather than using the junction box?
     
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    You could but of course the install will need testing, bonding will need to be in place as will RCD protection, hence my advice to call a Sparky in, nothing wrong with doing small jobs but a job like you are intending, with access to the live conductors in a Consumers unit (CU) requires a considerable amount of forethought, and experience.
     
  7. steptoe84
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    Thanks Lee, so to make it simple would you just run a radial and daisy chain the sockets to cut out the terminal? I have a good earth at the consumer unit (which was new in 2016 and was installed by a sparky) if that's what you mean?
     
  8. steptoe84
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    I will be getting it tested after I've done it as I always do, I need to get the whole house tested anyway. Yes I have new breakers at the CU and will obvs be isolating so nothing is live whilst working on it.
     
  9. Pete999
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    Steptoe84, you seem to understand the implications of what Lee is saying, yet choose to ignore the advice, call a sparky in to do the work properly, afterall it's yours and your Families lives at stake, have you ever seen an electrical fie? I have and it aint a pleasant sight, do the right thing Mate, you will sleep easier, trust me.
     
  10. LewisM
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    To do the work you want, it needs to be adequately tested with a meter like this goo.gl/MRJ5Ur and other aspects need to be checked, so with the questions your asking and the way you originally wanted to wire it I would advise for your safety to get a professional qualified electrician to do the work.
     
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  11. Murdoch
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    What you are suggesting begs the question of what is happening to the cables and sockets that were in place in the old kitchen!
     
  12. steptoe84
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    They have all been ripped out so its a blank canvas
     
  13. steptoe84
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    Thanks for the advice so far. I will be getting it all tested before its live. I am intending running the wires to back boxes and then getting sparky to connect into CU.
    Ok so my first idea was a shambles. Would Option 1 or 2 be a better way to run the wiring?......

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  14. LewisM
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    Number one as you want all connections to be accessible.
     
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    Begs the question is, where are you going to find an Electrician to test and certify your installation?
     
  16. steptoe84
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    Hi, Thanks for that Lewis, ill do that
     
  17. Murdoch
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    This is turning into a step by step thread!

    If and I say if you really do intend to get a spark to test and certify, I would politely suggest you find one before you do ANYTHING ........... people who call me to come and test get politely told to go away.........
     
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  18. steptoe84
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    Don't you worry Pete I've got one. The guy who fitted my new CU and who has tested other work I've done. I'm just cutting out on some labour costs by doing first fix and always have work checked and tested.
     
  19. steptoe84
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    Why would I lie about it? I wont be calling you so don't worry
     
  20. Murdoch
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    So why haven't you called him?
     
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  21. steptoe84
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    Because its not ready to be tested, I haven't ran the wires yet!
     
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  22. Pete999
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    Not worried steptoe, just wondering what sort of Sparky your Mate is that's all, what sort of certificates does he provide? and does he notify LBC when required?
     
  23. Murdoch
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    Hum ................ best you call him to clarify what you want and need.

    Why so many sockets in a bedroom?
     
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  24. steptoe84
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    Not a mate, all above board and I am in regular contact with LBC with the renovation work
     
  25. steptoe84
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    the 2 single sockets spurred off are for the hallway which were wired into the old kitchen ring. I want to keep them on this radial
     
  26. Pete999
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    Wired into the Kitchen Ring I want to keep them on this radial????? Can I refer you to Appendix 15 in BS 7671?
     
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  27. steptoe84
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    No but you could be more helpful and just tell me what you are trying to say Pete. Thought the idea of this website was for help? Geez!!
     
  28. Murdoch
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    The principle reason for the site if for sparks to help sparks who are doing the job to earn a living. Sure there is a DIY section but there are limits on what we general provide.

    You really should be consulting the spark who you believe will be testing your work... but its not just about testing, its about making sure compliance with the regs and hence why I would recommend you get said sparky involved now.
     
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  29. steptoe84
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    I said they were on an old ring (which no longer exists). now they are just two 1G hall sockets which will be spurred off the bedroom radial. problem?
     
  30. Pete999
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    Steptoe84, you obviously have all this above board as far as the LBC and your Electrician are concerned, I have to say I don't agree, you have continued to say despite, my objections that you will be doing what you feel is right, no matter what professional advice you are being given, albeit to say what you intend is fundamentally wrong.
    I don't recall you ever asking what I should do, and the only answer I have given is get an Electrician in to do this work, I don't think many forum members would give any advice other that mine, I could be wrong but that's my take. to this end I will continue to look at this thread, but sadly due to your attitude which seems to be, s-d your advice I'll do what I want, I will no longer contribute anything to this thread other than to say good luck.
     
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  31. Dannyg8810
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    Sounds to me like the OP just needs/wants someone to say yes that's fine like that and carry on with it on knowing an electrician(so he hopes) says it's right so it must be

    Otherwise he'd be asking the inspector/tester to help with the design surely?
     
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  32. Lee42
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    If the CU was replaced in 2016. Your installation should of already been tested.
     
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    Can you tell us the rest of the information about the circuit you are designing, and not just a sketch drawing?
    What is the Ze and predicted Zs, what reference method, calculated cable size, OCPD type and rating etc etc
     
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    Can you tell us the rest of the information about the circuit you are designing, and not just a sketch drawing?
    What is the Ze and predicted Zs, what reference method, calculated cable size, OCPD type and rating etc etc
     
  35. gutterball
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    why don't you ask your imaginary electrician how to run the circuit, rather than an internet forum.
     
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  36. anthonybragg
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    Are you fully adverse to wiring zones ?.
     
  37. Leader
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    By that you mean he doesn't like sticking to the edge or keeping within the lines?
     
  38. Leader
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    Let's hope he's not adverse to RCDs as well.
     
  39. HandySparks
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    Eh?
     
  40. buzzlightyear
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    plant a seed in some body's head and they think they are a qualified spark not!
     
  41. anthonybragg
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    Yes you know horizontal and vertical to the switches and sockets.
     
  42. Murdoch
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    I suspect handy is questioning the word adverse .....
     
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  43. Golden_Boy
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    Oh and a 5 week course ALWAYS makes a good spark ??
     
  44. buzzlightyear
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    to much information can be dangerous!
     
  45. Wilko
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    No offence meant to OP, but are you working with an Electrician - you wouldn't need to ask these questions, surely?
     
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