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  1. Subby
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    Subby EF Member

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    I am a plumber who has just come across this (sockets/spurs under bath) is this permitted?
    There are 2 fused spurs and a digital shower unit under the bath. I am concerned as the bath seals have gone causing water to drip onto the fused spurs.
    Has the electrics been fitted to regulation? If not then what should have been done?

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  2. Des 56
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    The location should be such that a tool is required to access the equipment,it would then be considered out of zones
    If that is the case,repair the leak,perhaps provide some extra protection in case of future ingress
     
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    According to that logic then there is no problem as the electrics are all behind a bath panel. Just looked a bit dodgy tome thanks.
     
  4. Upton Sparks
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    1.is it accessible, could you comfortable get to it to work on the Fused Spurs. ? 2. is the likelihood of a leak likely to happen ? 3. is it protected by an RCD?

    for a start I don't like it it looks pony, it certainly wouldn't pass mustard in my house.
    If you can't work on it then its not accessible, therefore it will not be complaint with the wiring regulation. every point needs to be accessible for purpose of inspection and repair.

    Consideration has to be given to other service,ie Water service in close proximity to electrical service, so when ever installing an item ie Fused spur/ Socket, its require to take this in to consideration,
    if there is any evidence of water leaking on to the fused spur, I would say this has fail the consideration to other service.
    I personally think it fail any way and would have gone for an IP rated Fused spur if had to fit it under the bath. I would of also of built a wooden frame off the wall so it located under the bath and therefore even less likely to have water drip down the wall on to it

    As its a bathroom as well it a special location and should be protected by an RCD.

    Either way the customer should get themselves an Electrician out to check it over.
    well done Plumber!
     
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Going by the concept, that any water pipe in a house could spring a leak, then all electrical faceplates would need to be suitably IP rated.

    My electrical FCU's don't leak electricity, so plumbers (present company accepted) should make sure their baths or kitchen sinks don't leak water! Electrical services are always going to be in close proximity to other services, which includes plumbing & central heating systems.

    Whilst the FCU's in this installation doesn't look ideal, there is always a possibility for FCU's/flex outlet plates having to be installed somewhere under a bath, i.e. digital showers or whirlpools baths etc.
     
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    That particular area beneath the seal between the bath and wall will tend to leak every few years as the seals rot / fail and will need re sealing. It is one of those jovs that need re doing from time to time. Just as taps start dropping over time and your light bulbs will need changing every so often .
     
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    I put my bath in some ten years ago, mastic has remained intact, and no leaks between bath and wall. Just saying :)

    Going back to my point, what about the luminaires in the floor below the bath, how do we protect them from leaking baths?
     
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    The luminaries are not directly below a place liable to leak water.
    And fair play you must keep on top of the cleaning if the seals are still in tact.
    Don't know what you are "just saying" but one of the most common jobs I get called to is re sealing bath/shower seals
    But thanks for your answer although I wouldn't have electrics like that under my bath . And the point is you are sat in a bath full of water is a bit different from a burst pipe soaking a light fitting elsewhere in the house.
     
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    Cooking, cleaning - everything is @Midwest@Midwest speciality. He's an all round fab guy and a cordon bleu chef to boot!
     
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    Did the occupier know that they were there if a fuse blew/needed to be isolated ? I see no reason if all conditions are met eg accessible risk of external influences however my preferred location would be outside the bathroom.
     
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    My pet hate ... inaccessible points of isolation... I bet the 18th won't sort this out either!
     
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    So you have no electrical apparatus/apparel underneath your bath? I think most households do. I've got a down stairs toilet and hallway under mine, full of luminaires, sockets etc. In my experience, the first place a water leak finds, is the hole where a light fitting is, not that I've caused many water leaks!
     
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    If you have a screwdriver, the worlds your oyster. Oysters are very difficult to open, apparently.
     
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  14. Murdoch
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    maybe BUT why out a FCU in such a stupid place?
     
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    That's if it is known it is there bath panels are not sometimes the easiest to get off without damaging decoration where mastic in
     
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