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  1. NathanL
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    NathanL New EF Member

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    Hi everyone, I'm new here and I know little about electricals apart from wiring a plug! It's something I've wanted to always learn even just the basics so I am grateful for any advice.

    I've had a 3 bulb ceiling light fixture for a few weeks now. I cannot for the life of me figure it out. It's old wiring so its the black and blue and a striped earth. The new fixture is the modern blue and brown wires.

    There was also an existing cable there in a grey cable. It's thicker than the others. There's 2 light switches. One at the bottom of stairs and one at the top of the stairs. I just want all 3 lights to come on and off with either switch as right now I can only get one to light and the switches don't respond! :D

    I got no idea how to wire it into the little block that came with it correctly lol!

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  2. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    Okay mate, first things first - it looks like what you may have there is a borrowed neutral. My best advice is isolate your board by the main switch and get a spark out. (Seriously, borrowed neutrals have killed unsuspecting folks)
     
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  3. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Yes it will be difficult to give advice for you correctly connect it in a safe way. Those fittings are notoriously difficult to install in a compliant manner, get an electrician out shouldn't be a huge outlay.
     
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  4. NathanL
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    NathanL New EF Member

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    Thanks for the advice guys! Much appreciated - I'll see who I can find near me! :D
     
  5. SparkyChick
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    SparkyChick Making a banana smoothy for my fave gorilla Electrician's Arms

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    Where are you in Wales?
     
  6. toast
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    toast Active EF Member

    Why would it be a borrowed neutral? Could be just a looped neutral between roses. I know they are of a different cable type but that does not say it is borrowed. But indeed it does require identifying. As it could well be any form of conductor, without testing a picture will not tell.
     
  7. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    I didn't say it was, I said it may be -because it may be. Lots of borrowed neutrals done in singles means cause for concern.
     
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  8. toast
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    toast Active EF Member

    One of the three lamps on the new fitting or one of three others. Did the switch function work previously?
     
  9. SparkyChick
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    SparkyChick Making a banana smoothy for my fave gorilla Electrician's Arms

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    The advice you've received from @westward10@westward10 and @hightower@hightower is good. If you're near Newport or Cardiff, drop me a PM with your number and I'll give you a call to arrange a visit and if you're not let us know where you are as another member may be able to help.
     
  10. toast
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    Lots of all sorts done in singles my friend. But your are correct saying it should be established what it is doing. Not really a DIY jobbie though!
     
  11. 7029 dave
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    7029 dave Trusted Advisor

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    My Question, did you take the light fitting down?, where was the single conductor connected too.? As said could be loop feed N L, shared N even E, need to get an Electrician to establish.
     
  12. NathanL
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    NathanL New EF Member

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    Got there in the end! Thanks for the help guys.

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